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1  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [22 Jan 2012] Results The Dutch Vintage XVI on: January 31, 2012, 04:51:38 pm
Unfortunately I was not able to make this due to other obligations. Where was Marius though? I thought he was planning on attending?
2  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: Bob Tendrils 2011 on: September 06, 2011, 01:27:04 pm
Basically you traded the mainboard disruption for FoW.
When going fully combo, disruption is more important than counterspells (in my experience).
I can agree with this, but up to a certain point. There are cards that every blue deck must answer immediately, such as Trinisphere or Tinker for BSC. This is where Force is essential, even for combo decks. It stops the opponent's play that lets them win faster than you.

You've got multiple lines of play to answer Tinker:
1. Combo them out
2. Use one of your three Hurkyl's to bounce their bot. Usually an early Tinker (which is the most scary) means they've used quite some resources, so you can safely sculpt a hand afterwards.

I haven't played a lot of magic lately (this is my first TMD post in like a year), but I do have a good amount of experience with the deck and I've been following all the metagame trends on my team board / morphling t8's / SCG & ChannelFireball articles.

FoW can be good in Bob Tendrils, but the deck can definately be built without it.
3  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: *2nd* at Breda (40 player) with Dredge winning a Drain on: March 21, 2011, 01:13:04 pm
Again, congats on your finish!

Finals against MUD
Game 3: I am on the play and he Serum Powders a hand with Leyline, Lotus, Thorn, and 4 non manasource irrelevant cards. I rejoice and tell him there are now only 3 Leylines left, he draws 7 new cards, decides to mulligan, draws 6 cards and keeps. He looks unfazed, I ask him if I can begin, he puts 2 Leyline of the Void into play. I have Chain of Vapor, Bazaar, dredger in hand and a couple of lands to cast the Chain and was on the play, so I would have basically beaten anything but double Leyline. To add insult to injury he also played Pithing Needle. I tried to put up a fight with hardcasted Bloodghasts, but he ripped Precursor Golem from the top.

If I recall correctly he Serum Powedered, mulled to 6 and then Serum Powdered again before keeping the double Leyline hand. Although I was rooting for you, I guess he deserved the win seeing he came well prepared for the Dredge matchup with 3 Powder, 3 Needle and 4 Leyline in his sideboard. And the fact that he powdered away his opening 7, which is the correct play, but not everyone would Powder away a Leyline hand against Dredge.
4  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GushBond on: February 27, 2011, 04:11:44 pm
How often have you killed through Empty the Warrens and you could not have won that game with Tendrils? You don't run enough winconditions to survive a Sadistic Sacrament or Jester's Cap anyway, so there might be room for one more business spell in the Warrens slot.
5  Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: [Deck Primer : BomberGifts] on: February 27, 2011, 08:01:46 am
From a first look your deck seems very light on shop hate, especially for a combo deck (I found repeals to be next to useless once an opponent has more than 1 lock piece on board). Perhaps this is because shops is not played as much in your area, but could you elaborate a bit more on the gameplan vs MUD?
6  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: project goldfish --- speed at all cost on: December 14, 2010, 03:49:43 pm
Is this faster than 0-land Belcher?
7  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Dutch Vintage Champs – To Report on: November 24, 2010, 01:42:52 am
Next year I'll try to be there, it was kind of far away from Canada this year Razz
8  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: Ritual Based Combo in Today's Metagame on: August 16, 2010, 03:54:38 pm
I try not to think in decks not running a certain combination of cards as wrond. In my opinion, that sort of thinking limits your creativity.

I think a point can be made for Cabal Ritual over Mana Vault, although Mana Vault could certainly be the correct card. I was interested if Matt had specific reasons to include the card, or just saw it as an autorun.

Note that traditional GWSx lists all did run Desire, but no Vault. Because of the lack of colorless mana in the casting costs, Cabal Ritual was usually far better.
9  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: Ritual Based Combo in Today's Metagame on: August 16, 2010, 03:16:11 pm
Matt, how has Mana Vault been for you? I'm asking this because you do not include either Gifts or FoF, regular 3-colorless-mana-sinks. I don't run those in my storm list either, but I also don't run Vault atm.
10  Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Lightning Bolt versus Jace, TMS on: August 16, 2010, 03:11:30 pm
Bob? Shot. (...) Golem? Down for the low price of 1R.
These are very important features of Lightning Bolt.
11  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [RESULTS]The Manacrypt Weekly Vintage ! on: June 30, 2010, 01:46:23 pm
9. Paul de rijk (GWSx)

What went wrong here? No stax decks and GWSx finishes last!?
12  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: [primer for non-dutch folk] You Know You've been in Holland for too long.... on: June 23, 2010, 04:44:49 am
I love how are biggest motivational factor in traveling to Europe revolves around the lure of stroopwaffel.  
I love how you guys are considering to travel the world for stroopwafels, while I frequently am disappointed when I look for something to eat and I see nothing else but them Wink
13  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: [primer for non-dutch folk] You Know You've been in Holland for too long.... on: June 23, 2010, 03:37:59 am
96. You get used to never be soccer world champion  Twisted Evil

Btw a funny thing about the Netherlands is that you don't get one or two Euro Cents change back in supermarkets or whereever. Say you bought something that costs 99 cents and give one Euro, they just don't give you the one cent back. Is that common in the Netherlands? At least it was where I was a few years ago (Zeeland).
In Germany you always get your Cent. People would be upset if this cent was held back.

They'll give you back one/two eurocents change at Aldi [German chain of supermarkets iirc] but stores like Super de Boer and Albert Heijn won't do this.. They'll round up the amount there.. I think that's because it's really annoying when there's someone counting out like.. 76 cents in 1/2/5 eurocent coins.

It just takes some getting used to, I guess
Actually they just round the amount, not round it up. So for instance, if you buy something that costs 97 cents, you only have to pay 95 cents if you pay in cash, but if it were 98 cents it would cost you 1 euro. If you pay with your PIN-card, you do have to pay the orignal amount though. I thinks it's good, those little coins only clog up your wallet and nobody really wants them.
14  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: Ritual Based Combo in Today's Metagame on: June 14, 2010, 03:38:54 am
Bob Tendrils /GWSx 
Originally by Mike Solymossy
With further development by Mike Solymossy and Duncan Kreijzer Keijzer
At least spell my name right! It's Dutch for Emperor, whoever knows what Solymossy means in any language may post here.

As for the IT/GWSx Hybrid Gandalf posted, it seems to run a lot of disruption with 12 spells, while losing some of the setup spells like Ponder and Top, that way I think it's lost some of it's resiliency.

As for your list Soly, I'd cut some Duress in favor of Thoughtseize, mostly for grabbing Lodestone Golem (other lock pieces give you enough time to build op a manabase, Golem does not). And I'd fit at least a second Hurkyl's Recall in there, likely in place of the 3rd Cabal Ritual.
15  Eternal Formats / Workshop-Based Prison / Re: Starting Points on: June 11, 2010, 02:33:19 am
White would give you Suppression Field, Glowrider and some more 'lock' cards. However, the inclusion of a color creates internal dissynergies with Lodestone Golem in your deck in my opinion.
16  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: [primer for non-dutch folk] You Know You've been in Holland for too long.... on: June 11, 2010, 02:13:17 am
Watskeburt in deze thread?

72/ You wait for the light to go green before crossing the street, even if there is no car
Then you've never been in Amsterdam obviously..

All this talk about stroopwafels! So when I come to Hamilton this fall (and probably the US during Christmas/Newyear/januari) all I need is a few packs of stroopwafels to get me everything I need? I think I can bring about 50 kilo's with me so that should be fine! Smile

Also, Nick/Rich, when were you guys in Holland? You should definately let me know next time!

Oh.. en al dat gepraat over Ajax en Feyenoord, wordt eerst maar weer eens kampioen, dan praten we verder. AZ ftw.
17  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: History of TheManaDrain on: June 11, 2010, 01:51:05 am

"We don't call it "Holland", we call it "Meandeck Europe".  It's like regular Europe, except by making a few minor changes, we've improved it immeasurably."

-Saucemaster

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=21381.0
Love this quote! Absolutely awesome Razz Too bad the link does not work Sad I'd love to see the original topic and the replies.

One of the best threads I've ever read here was Feinsteins tournament report. I can't recall a link immediately, but it's the one where he visits the Dark Lord and Brassman for advice. That was an epic story.
18  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [RESULTS]The Manacrypt Weekly Vintage ! on: May 20, 2010, 03:15:03 am
If some players from outside of Holland will ever attend, let me know and I will definately make the trek to Breda!

Then you should let me know, so I can come with you!
19  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Top 8 in Breda: “Look it’s an Elephaunt” on: May 19, 2010, 02:42:01 am
Hey Robrecht!

First of all, thanks for the report and congratulations on your finish!

I didn’t miss the Sphinx during the tournament but this slot is still under debate. Options are: Inkwell Leviathan, Sphinx of the Steel Wind and Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
You are aware of the fact that Emrakul is colorless, but not an artifact, so it can't be Tinkered out? I find it hard to justify an oath list with Tinker without a robot, since that's your easiest route to victory against Fish-style decks.

There’s also a National Qualifier going on, so the room is packed but with more then enough room for everybody and their cards. Some regular Vintage players have chosen to play standard, their mistake really… Smile
I assume you're looking at me? Razz Next time I'll definately be playing Vintage again! It was nice to have time to watch some Vintage matches without having a stake in the outcome though.

Round 3: Alex with a very peculiar kind of Fish
Alex is a friend of mine (not my little brother, as I heard some of you assumed). His list is very different than normal kinds of Fish decks. Let me explain why: twice a year we have this tournament with some friends where our deck can not cost more than thirty euros at the local online cardshop. This was the deck he finished 2nd with at our latest tournament and since he basically had not played Magic since then he decided to just add some power, a better manabase, tarmogoyfs and gaddock teeg and try it in Breda. His shell of Shorecaster Mimic, Slippery Bogle (!) and Favor of the Overbeing remained the same. It was very nice to see him win three of his matches Very Happy

Don’t hope to draw anything, mulligan until you’re happy/confidant! Be very fast or have enough hate after sideboard. Don’t think you can hold on to your cards for more then a turn because Cabal Therapy WILL rape you.
Actually, it's confident Wink Confidant is a whole other (perhaps better) thing Razz

Anyways, see you next time and hopefully we can play some games then!
20  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: April 05, 2010, 05:51:43 am
To everyone else: Are you play testing against workshop decks and consistently beating them 50% or better or are your results just a handful of games in tournament play? I am asking this because play testing against workshop decks on several different nights the tally is approximately 40 wins for workshop, 5 wins for storm. None of these are sideboard games to be fair. With that said the sideboard of either deck is probably only swapping out 1 or 2 cards which will alter the results slightly but not drastically improve storm's chance.

I'm gonna agree with smasher for now.  I've used the same list as the OP against a Shops deck with a million lock pieces + Sculpting Steel + Smokestack. 

After testing for several nights against the list of Guus (Mantis), a good shop player, (http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1245 deck #8) I came to the list in the opening post. In testing the matchup was ~50%, both pre-board and postboard, and that's with both of us knowing what was exactly in the other one's deck. In the tournament I think I have the advantage because my list differs more from a regular Storm build than my opponent's does from a regular shop deck. Which would explain the >50% match win there.

Guus' list does not run Crucible/Smokestack, but little decks in our meta do. While dropping either a crucible or smokestack can spell doom, it usually gives you one turn because they did not drop a lock piece.

I've found that Duress and even Thoughtseize don't do enough against that deck - you can hit a good piece in their hand, but with that kind of lock piece-density it doesn't matter much.
They do have more lock-pieces, but if you can grab a Golem with Thoughtseize it buys you a lot of time to build up your manabase just like in the old days. Note that I board out duress in the matchup, since it's not that good (which is why we've come to the conclusion to try a 1/4 Duress/Seize ratio in this thread).

Without the Golem it's possible to slowroll the EOT Hurks/Rebuild as you build a mana base, but the Golem says "You have this many turns to get your bounce spell" while they find more lock pieces.
This is the same assessment I made in the opening post and the reason why I overloaded on maindeck bounce, because you do not have the time to tutor for it anymore.

I do not mean to sound arrogant, but I think that if you only win 5 out of 45 games, you might be playing the deck wrong. You should be able to win at least 50% of you games on the play. You've got some turn1 kills, most games with turn 1 confidant (which is about 35% of you hands) and hands with mana and multiple bounce that will buy you enough times to win.
21  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Winning a Sapphire in Bluebell (4/3) on: April 04, 2010, 03:22:25 pm
Ah and I forgot: how was Jace? It does not seem a bit awkward in a combo deck. For 4 mana you usually want a bomb that wins the game with a high %, but maybe the Jace Brainstorm effect is that powerful with topdeck tutors?
22  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: April 04, 2010, 01:26:02 pm

Quote
2. Same opponent is playing the oath deck with Iona, Terrastodon, Darksteel. He has spell pierces no drains.
Do you keep:
2x Thoughtseize, 2x Fetch, Tolarian Academy, Mox Emerald, Mox Sapphire.
Keep, the hand has potential if you rip something and the siezes will buy you time to do just that

I am pretty sure keeping this hand is wrong. You pretty much have no plays to follow up on your thoughtseizing and have to rely on the top of your deck giving you the win. You do have some fast mana, but no rits for fast black. If you are a master at top decking this could be a good strategy but it seems like this deck could mull and do much better. Thoughtseize is good but with no other play it gets worse. Being as your on 7 and should have a favorable match, Id assume you would just mull into a better hand.

This is about the perfect example of what I mentioned earlier in this thread:

It mulligans really well and I think aggressive mulligans can be great with this deck.

I like to highlight this. With this deck I mulligan more aggresive than with almost any deck I have played. I always ship back hands that do not have a plan. Your 6 or 5 can be real good and often better than a weak 7.

Basically you have a high chance to lose if either your opponent has a decent hand that can handle a first turn thoughtseize and also if your first card drawn is a land/tendrils/ritual/bounce. Even if you draw a confidant, he might drop an oath and you lose. Yawgmoth's will won't do you any good, cause you don't have a yard yet.

Your six cards will almost certainly be better than this, so I would definately mulligan.
23  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Winning a Sapphire in Bluebell (4/3) on: April 04, 2010, 01:02:51 pm
Congrats on the finish.

I call up Jeff Folinus saying we should play GWSx, but with Force over Duress.

This might not make sense if you don't follow the mid atlantic metagame too much. Pretty much, duress is the nut low right now. Mud and Bant Fish have taken over as the top 2 decks making duress terrible. My logic is if I can win against the two I should be fine. I am not terribly worried against blue decks since I have bob, multiple tendrils, and forces main.

Some questions about this decision. Have you considered thoughtseize? It's better vs. Fish and decent against Shops. Was the 17 cards enough for FoW, in other words, did you sometimes have trouble finding a blue card to pitch (or that the card you had to pitch was a crucial one)? Would you run FoW if you'd run the deck again? And would you make any other changes?
24  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: March 31, 2010, 07:33:22 am
Edited the opening post with links to previous GWSx threads and my and Soly's tournament reports. There's a lot of information to be found in those threads.
25  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Unpowered MUD on: March 31, 2010, 03:08:46 am
artifact lands

Don't play a lot of them, or you'll flat out die to Null Rod.
26  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: March 30, 2010, 04:54:42 pm
Evenpence, I really like this way of generating test results, although it seems a lot of work. If you would do another run in the future, would it be possible to simultaneously do it for Tolarian Academy in the Fish and Shop matchup, with the possibity of it being a basic Island (or swamp, whatever you replaced it with in your list) too?
27  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Unpowered MUD on: March 30, 2010, 01:41:52 pm
I would not run Null Rod and Metalworker in the same deck.

And I think you're a bit low on manasources. Perhaps you could try Crystal Vein?
28  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: March 30, 2010, 12:25:03 pm
Don't run massacre.   I like Infest out of the board.  I've actually just ran Disfigure, too.

It's not this black and white. Both Massacre and Infest have their advantages and I've run both with succes. For me it's more of a meta call. If you expect all the aggro decks to be selkie/uw fish, Massacre is way better because you do not need to use a ritual to cast it, it's a great tempo play and it's good after will. If you expect other aggro, run Infest, because it is cheaper versus goblins and dodges Teeg vs GW beats.

The biggest problem is that against decks that Massacre is free you have to deal with Teeg. I would never run more than 1 Massacre and usually single-target stuff like Darkblast and Slaughter Pact are more effective. My sweeper of choice is still Infest though, even in a white heavy metagame.

Then again Confidant Tendrils might not want sweepers at the risk of hitting your own Confidants.

This is absolutely wrong. Noble Fish NEVER runs Gaddock Teeg (with one exception in all the T8 lists from the last year) because it also runs FoW. Since Noble Fish is seen about 10 times more than any other Fish deck I'd say that Massacre makes more sense than infest right now because it gets around a lot of mana-denial being free.

This is exactly my point, and the reason why I played Massacre, but advocate Infest if you expect a lot of GW Decks (combination Gaddock Teeg and Ethersworn Canonist spells trouble otherwise).

I also had one rather amusing test game against a friend who hates storm combo. He went (turn 1, on the play), Workshop, Crucible, Lotus, Fastbond, Zuran Orb. He smirked and Said: I'll gain 500 life - Storm that out! and passed the turn.

I (fortuantely) was holding a very nutty hand with Hurkyl's, Mind's Desire, Delta, Sapphire, Jet, Ruby, and Lotus, and drew Sol Ring. Mind's Desire for 11 found some draw, some fast mana, some tutors, the other Hurkyl's and Will, which led into a Desire for 52 post-will (Desiring the entire rest of the deck). I cast 3 Tendrils at Storm 124,125 and 126 respectively and said - DONE.

No this situation would not come up in a tournament, but it was hella funny.
This put a big smile on my face Very Happy Now he'll hate combo even more Razz

Some relevant (discussion) points based on the conversations I've had through messages and this thread:

1. Tolarian Academy probably is better than the second island in the deck.
2. The third Cabal Ritual might as well be something else.
3. Green can possibly be dropped in the sideboard, perhaps in favor of a third Sacrament and two cards to address the Fish matchup (I've never had that much trouble facing it, but a little extra help can't hurt anyone).
4. If the lifeloss is not too much, the Duress/Thoughtseize split should be 1/4.

Oh, and for those of you who haven't noticed, GWSx made another top 4 performance (this time in Switzerland): http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=40209.0
Way to go Bongo!
29  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: GWSx: Ritual combo after the printing of Lodestone Golem on: March 29, 2010, 04:59:26 pm
Don't run massacre.   I like Infest out of the board.  I've actually just ran Disfigure, too.

It's not this black and white. Both Massacre and Infest have their advantages and I've run both with succes. For me it's more of a meta call. If you expect all the aggro decks to be selkie/uw fish, Massacre is way better because you do not need to use a ritual to cast it, it's a great tempo play and it's good after will. If you expect other aggro, run Infest, because it is cheaper versus goblins and dodges Teeg vs GW beats.
30  Vintage Community Discussion / Elder Dragon Highlander Forum / EDH milling: how to use those milled cards? on: March 29, 2010, 10:21:38 am
Hi there!

After playing with my Jenara, Asura of War (formerly Crovax, Ascendant Hero) +1/+1-token-based EDH deck I am going to make a second deck for this fun format. I've been tinkering with the idea of some sort of mill deck with Oona, Queen of the Fae as my general. Because we all know milling alone won't get you there, especially in multiplayer I thought about taking advantage of all those cards put into graveyards.

For bringing back the creatures from the grave I've come up with:
Reanimate
Necromancy
Animate Dead
Dance of the Dead
Dimir Doppelganger
Diabolic Servitude
Makeshift Mannequin
Memory Plunder


Also I'm looking for ways to put permanents on top of player's libraries, so I can follow up with a mill effect to get rid of them. For now I've got:

Vedalken Dismisser
Submerge
Time Ebb

And then there's of course the flashback/unearth cards that do not mind being put into the graveyard. For these I'm currently running:

Corpse Connoisseur
Grixis Slavedriver
Think Twice
Deep Analysis

I'm looking for more cards that would work well in such a deck, so if you have any suggestions, shout them out loud!
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