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1  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Vintage Super League: Who Would You Like to See? on: March 11, 2016, 02:57:06 pm
To prevent other players from winning tournaments isn't important if you can't win yourself.
2  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Vintage Super League: Who Would You Like to See? on: March 09, 2016, 07:12:13 pm
Personally I didn't find yesterday matches more interesting than usual, it felt like the decks were just as much unfair. I much prefer to see artifacts being destroyed than Time Vault being untapped and Blighsteel Colossus being tapped.
3  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [SOI] Rules updates on: March 07, 2016, 02:06:02 pm
Is this the first example we have of converted mana cost not being based on the mana cost of the object in question?

There are the clone effects but I think that's it.
4  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: TheManaDrain.com - New Direction? on: March 07, 2016, 02:02:09 pm
One of the best feature this forum has that isn't frequently seen is the warning when someone posts while you're answering. This could potentially be bad in a high volume forum.

Peach is right about the low discussion his reports bring. It might be because the pilots don't often use the forum but it seems weird that nobody cares that Slash Panther just won the event.
5  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Reserve List Card Spike? on: March 02, 2016, 04:01:35 pm
You can go to free to play sites like cockatrice where anybody can play with any card ever made and see that your guess is simply not true.  Even when any card is available and 'blue is the best' you still get inundated on cockatrice with merfolk, shops, dredge, g/b control, white equipment based decks.   I've had nights where I've sat down for 5-8 games and not seen another blue based deck.

Most people use those softwares to test their decks before a tournament or before buying. This mean availability still has an impact on what you play against.
6  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: Play testing on Cockatrice on: February 03, 2016, 09:41:52 am
Just don't mention that you're rusty. As long as you know that you click end of turn when you're done and pass when your opponent is at the end, you should be fine. Few shortcuts like CTRL+I to roll the initial die, CTRL+M to draw/mulligan the initial hand, right click + drag make arrows and right clicking gave you pretty much all the options you need.
7  Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: Dredge in 2016 on: December 31, 2015, 10:37:02 am
Leyline of the Void and Petrified Field are a real beatings for aggro MUD. Aggro MUD was the better Shop decks for most of 2015.
8  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [OGW] Wastes: Barry's Land is REAL? on: November 18, 2015, 03:05:19 pm
If the symbol means that colorless mana needs to be used to cast it, it's probably still normal colorless mana but they used a special symbol instead of writing "At least X colorless mana needs to be spent to cast this spell." on every cards. There's probably some subtle differences with some cards like Omniscience. It could also be similar to the Snow supertype but the land has no supertype besides Basic.
9  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: The actual effect of Restricting Chalice on: November 04, 2015, 03:52:39 pm
While you play a match is not the time to think about rules philosophy, you should play how the rules are and not how you'd like them to be. Your opponent will not remind you of your triggers and you should not remind them either. I've had the nedleeds situation happens with a Delver trigger in my first Vintage match two years ago, my opponent was unhappy about his mistake but he understood that it's how the rules are played. I was pretty stressed by the missed triggers and didn't like it but I just followed the rules no matter my opinion on them. The APNAP rules might not be known by all players but it is expected to be known in a Competitive tournament especially in Vintage where it happens all the time. It's not a trick, it's just about asking to progress the game state and giving an opportunity to the opponent to put the trigger on the stack. It's no different than asking "Draw?" with a Tangle Wire on the stack.

I should mention that this is for Competitive tournaments and not Regular ones. In a regular one, players have until the end of the turn to remember a mandatory trigger. Some people are afraid of judges but there's no reason to, they're there to help us and very rarely give Game Losses.

You can play however you want at home but in a tournament play by the rules. Comprehensive Rules are all you need to play at home and what I follow in my casual games. However, in a tournament there is also the Magic Tournament Rules, the Infraction Procedure Guide and the Judging at Regular documents.
10  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: SSG Cutting Back Legacy - How Does This Impact Vintage? on: November 04, 2015, 03:06:23 pm
There's some links between both eternal formats but I'm not sure that the thriving Legacy scene was reducing the Vintage player pool. It did reduce the amount of time people had to play Vintage but the prevalence of Legacy meant it was relatively easy to play Vintage once you had the Legacy cards.

It might not be the case in the bigger Vintage areas but a lot of players play both formats because the Vintage tournaments are not frequent enough to sustain the Magic appetite of the players.
11  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Accidental Card Revealed During Shuffling/Cutting on: October 31, 2015, 12:47:23 am
Doing it on purpose is Cheating - Disqualification but it's hard to prove. If you do it often enough, you might get flagged by the DCI and potentially get banned for sloppy play/cheating.
12  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: The actual effect of Restricting Chalice on: October 30, 2015, 12:28:01 pm
That is appalling! 
People race through steps all the time in casual around me but once pointed out we can always back up (even though new information has been gained) but if this is the judges ruling then it creates incentive for people to just cheat and pretend it was an accident.  This is exactly the kind of thing I was worried about when the latest rules change surrounding missed triggers was announced.  It doesn't make any sense.  Missing a mandatory trigger should be considered a game rule violation and the game should be backed up(within reason). 

I can't say exactly which judges got involved, I'm pretty sure the end result was that nothing got tapped though.

So I think part of the issue here regarding missed triggers is that Roland controlled the Wire and so it is his responsibility to declare it, not the opponent. In my experience with Vintage, people don't race through steps like that to try and grime someone on missed triggers, so you don't need to be super aggressive about announcing it. Hell, even when people do mess things up, I believe the Vintage set is much more likely to try and resolve the state without getting the judge involved...I usually only see judge calls in Vintage in situations where people can't figure it out on their own, or the game state has degenerated to the point where the judge is required. Thats what makes Roland's story all the more shocking.

I had something happen to me at a Legacy event earlier this year as well. I was up against a Star City pro who I'm not going to name, and earlier in the match I picked up a GRV. Fast forward a bit, and I have Trinisphere in play. The guy taps one mana, casts a ponder, and starts resolving it quickly. I look and see that he has only tapped 1, but I didn't want to call the judge because I was worried I was going to get Failure to maintain game state... even though I felt like he raced through so fast it wasn't my fault, it was going to be my word vs. his as to what had actually happened and I was concerned about picking up another violation. Later in the match, he did the same thing AGAIN. And again, I did not call the judge because I was worried about getting hit for FMGS. I didn't want to even point it out to him, because instead of just tapping the lands, he might have called the judge on himself, which would again result in FMGS for me.

To prove this was no fluke, after the match was over I went outside to smoke and I saw him out there and walked towards him. He saw me, and the first words out of his mouth were, "I cheated". I was really careful about what I said to him, because I feel like failing to report GRV's to avoid picking up a FMGS of your own is something that would not go over well. The whole incident just left a bad taste in my mouth.

@aaron patten

I feel like two non scumbag Vintage players (i.e. 99% of us) in this same situation would resolve it by just tapping the permanents without attempting to reconcile the card that had been seen, and trusting the guy who drew the card to be ethical about what he tapped down.

You shouldn't care about Failure to Maintain Game State warnings. They're not upgradeable unlike other warnings. Of course if you're doing it on purpose you can get a Cheating Disqualification.
13  Vintage Community Discussion / Community Introductions / Re: Introduce Yourself on: August 28, 2015, 02:05:28 pm
Hi Folks!

I'm typing here in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. I'm a full-time coffeehouse geek, and take time off work to judge tournaments. I've run the Canadian Magic Tour, and am super interested in Vintage since I attended Eternal Weekend in Philadelphia.

I don't know about Ottawa but there's a small scene in Montreal and an even bigger one in Toronto.
14  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Eternal weekend video coverage? on: August 25, 2015, 09:40:54 am
http://www.twitch.tv/cardtitan
15  Eternal Formats / Northeast U.S. / Re: The 2015 Eternal Weekend! $20,000+ in prizes! Philadelphia, PA! August 21-23! on: August 18, 2015, 01:22:52 pm
Do we need to pre-reg for the prelim event, or can we wait to do that on site?

Can't wait to compete in this! 

I don't think there's even the possibility to preregister for it.
16  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Podcast] So Many Insane Plays Podcast Episode 46: Champs Preview on: August 16, 2015, 10:15:52 pm
Thanks for the podcast. This going to be awesome to listen while driving to the tournament even if it doesn't last 7 hours like the last podcast.
17  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [ORI] Abbot of Keral Keep on: August 05, 2015, 03:03:58 pm
Maybe Patrick Chapin doesn't play much Vintage anymore but he has played his fair bunch of Type 1/Vintage in the past and had success doing it.

A card that is crazy in Standard won't necessarily be good in Vintage. I think that comparing both cards is reasonable, they have fairly similar effects and are both tournament playable cards. The comment must be understood in the context of the Standard Pro Tour.
18  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: Amount of Games Required For an Effective Testing Experience on: August 04, 2015, 01:47:09 pm
How do you treat missed triggers and small mistakes, e.g. casting Sol Ring into Chalice of the Void, casting Mana Drain paying 1U, in playtesting? If you play hardcore like in a tournament, you might get skewed results but if all mistakes get corrected it might creates bad habit that can be really punishing in a real tournament.
19  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: TO Report: Team Serious Invitational III aka Mishra's Sweatshop on: July 29, 2015, 01:48:53 pm
100% Top 8 conversion for Workshop decks is impressive.
20  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What's going on with the VSL? on: July 21, 2015, 10:18:31 pm
They have a 3 weeks double elimination tournament without Kai Budde. They had to shorten the season for the upcoming Pro Tour and the more popular Super Leagues.
21  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: MTGO Play Points & changes to Dailies on: July 20, 2015, 02:09:47 pm
Aren't every tournament negative EV on MTGO?
22  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Podcast] So Many Insane Plays # 44: Rules Updates and NYSE Results on: July 17, 2015, 11:34:13 pm
In my testing the Dredge matchup wasn't as lopsided as my match against Sullivan. Wasteland can slow down the deck, Arcbound Ravager can exile Bridge from Below to let you win some game 1. They also help with the Grafdigger's Cage and Crucible of Worlds plan after sideboard. Sullivan's version of Dredge was really good against my deck because he could nullify all my angle of attacks. Leyline of the Void is really good against Arcbound Ravager, Ingot Chewer against Grafdigger's Cage and Petrified Field against Wasteland. None of those cards are new in Dredge but the combination of all those made his deck really good against mine. He chose to play the right build of Dredge, minus the City of Brass, for the metagame and he reaped the rewards.

It is true that the mulligan process with Dredge can be daunting with up to 21 shuffling in a match but it is not that much less than a Blue deck full of fetchlands, tutors and Ponder.
23  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Article] NYSE Open III; or, The Monk and the Priest on: July 14, 2015, 09:29:45 am
I'm not sure how good is Landstill against Shops. I won the 3 matches I played against UW Landstill at the NYSE and I didn't feel I was especially lucky. My match against UR Landstill felt harder. I was under the impression that UW Landstill was better against the blue mirror and creature decks but less good against Shops. It might just be my biased experience but I don't think UW Landstill is that great against Workshops.
24  Eternal Formats / Workshop-Based Prison / Re: Ram Roller on: July 06, 2015, 08:34:53 pm
You have to ask yourself if it's better than Porcelain Legionnaire.
25  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: New Mulligan Rule on: June 30, 2015, 02:49:35 pm
The "nothing can be behind lands on camera" rule is a joke.  I'm going to totally boycott that.  Nobody tells me where to put my moxen unless they control the greatest thief in the multiverse.

The camera rule only applies to premium events. There will be no Mox played on camera unless they do Vintage or Vintage Masters at the World Championship.
26  Eternal Formats / Northeast U.S. / Re: The 2015 Eternal Weekend! $20,000+ in prizes! Philadelphia, PA! August 21-23! on: June 11, 2015, 04:15:35 pm
Last year, it was actually called Budget. It's not simply unpowered, Bazaar of Baghdad, Imperial Seal, Mishra's Workshop and Time Vault were also included. Unpowered prize lost it's raison d'Ítre when competitive Dredge decks stopped using Power.
27  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Foil Goyf from GP Vegas on: June 08, 2015, 09:56:35 am
The one foil per pack is the reason they used to justify selling Modern Masters at twice the normal value. A set of expensive cards cost nearly the same to produce than a set of cheap cards but foils are more expensive to produce thus we double the pack price.
28  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Foil Goyf from GP Vegas on: June 04, 2015, 08:36:35 pm
I feel the real discussion is the mere existence of a cards that can warp a draft simply because of its value. 

I think everyone has already elucidated good points, but this is an interesting position that I'd not considered.  Goyf (foil or otherwise) already has this set referred to as The Lottery.  That element seeping into nearly the highest level of play is simultaneously exciting and awful for WotC.  Sadly, I think the awfulness will (is) be(ing) drowned out.

Excellent point.  That part of what's bothering so many people is the tension between Magic as a game of skill and a collectible. 

But this isn't the first or last time that the value of cards affects outcomes.  Anyone remember when Kai won a Magic invitational by using Jeweled Bird in 5color? 

This debate reminds me a little bit of the debates over whether NFL teams should tank games to try to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.  Clearly, the answer was yes. 

I do remember it, I didn't find it awful back then except the fact that 5 color replaced Vintage Type 1. It's not more different than someone getting a god draw or something similar. The difference with the foil Tarmogoyf is not that he was lucky but that he had to choose between winning and making money. If he wanted to win he had to sacrifice money; it's the constructed equivalent of offering to play a second Ancestral Recall for $200.
29  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: LCV 2015 - May- Barcelona- 34 players - Top8 Decklists on: June 04, 2015, 06:44:03 am
Thanks for the report. I do not always take time to comment but I always enjoy reading about the spicy new techs coming from Spain. I'm surprised that there's so few Dig Through Time in the Delver decks. It's hard to say just looking at these data but I'm intrigued in how well Contagion was able to combat Containment Priest.
30  Eternal Formats / Canada / Montreal Proxy Tournament on: May 15, 2015, 02:15:04 pm
On June 7, there will be a proxy tournament at Face to Face Montreal. It starts at 10:30 and costs $15.

Jeux Face a Face
4425 Wellington
Verdun, Quebec
(514)769-7007
www.FacetoFaceGames.com

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