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1  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [SOI] Sigarda, Heron's Grace on: March 16, 2016, 03:57:27 pm
That's quite a large hatebear!

New Deck: Hate Angels.
2  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [SOI] Harness the Storm on: March 16, 2016, 01:47:40 pm
The "You still pay its costs" is the dagger.
3  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: Eternal Masters CONFIRMED on: March 16, 2016, 11:04:54 am
1) Even if you reprint once with no negative financial impact, further reprinting may cause financial harm, so you're creating this sort of long term liability around the printing of these cards.

This is one thing I've wondered about: how far does this extend?

Let's say they simply eliminate the Reserved List and related policy tomorrow, but without reprinting anything.  Then, in 10 years (2026) they reprint the P9 in a Vintage Masters type set.  Do all the same problems exist 10 years after the policy is formally eliminated?

What about 20 years?

It would likely be that simply announcing the removal of the policy, even with no immediate associated reprints, prices would drop.  Exactly how much is anyone's guess, but it's clear that there are separate impacts from the presence of the policy and actual reprints.
4  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [SOI] Brain in a Bottle on: March 11, 2016, 11:29:19 am
a neat interation with this card is to stack it's first ability, sacrifice the card, then cast any spell with 0 mana - includes cards like ancestral vision, hypergenesis and living end.  

not sure if it's vintage relevant, but it's a non-intuitive interation I thought I'd throw out.  
I don't think that works. If it did, Powder Keg would be useless.

In both cases, Last Known Information is used to refer to how many counters were last known.
5  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [SOI] Rules updates on: March 07, 2016, 02:03:02 pm
Is this the first example we have of converted mana cost not being based on the mana cost of the object in question?
6  Eternal Formats / Midwest U.S. / Collector's Zone - Jackson, MI - March 20 - 100% Proxy on: March 03, 2016, 09:01:36 am


This will be the collector's Zones second ever Vintage event!

Doors will open at 11:30am and the tournament will start at noon!

$10 entry fee, Prizes will be paid out in store credit!

Unlimited proxies allowed!

Payout to be determined by number of players.

Everyone come out to this and make it successful so we can do more these in the future!!



WHAT: VINTAGE!
Swiss + Elimination. (T4 or T8, depending on attendance)
Entry is $10

PRIZES: Store Credit

WHERE: Collector's Zone - Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/The-Collectors-Zone-Sports-cards-supplies-etc-301986135178/
1425 Wildwood Ave, Jackson, Michigan 49202

WHEN: Sunday, March 20, 12:00pm ET
Doors will be at 11:30am and the tournament will start at Noon!

PROXIES: UNLIMITED PROXIES will be permitted.
7  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Team Serious Birthday Invitational - 2/13/16 on: February 17, 2016, 10:45:40 am
How did Jori En, Ruin Diver work out?

Poorly. She was bad in my deck and generally bad in the meta.  She might have a long-term place, but she's not well-positioned right now.
8  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Article] Vintage 101: Power Nine 2K16 on: February 05, 2016, 10:46:12 am
Princess_Power: how do you board vs. DPS?
9  Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Mana Drain too slow? on: February 03, 2016, 01:16:20 pm
10  Eternal Formats / Online Tournaments / Re: MTGO Power Nine Challenge - Saturday, January 30th on: February 01, 2016, 04:39:20 pm
Is there any resource for confirming the swiss points/records for the T16 (or beyond).  I'd like to know just how 9th compares to 16th.
11  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Podcast] So Many Insane Plays Podcast Episode 50: Oath of the Gatewatch on: January 29, 2016, 12:33:23 pm
Unfortunately, you have to take all our evaluations of the Surge cards plus JE,RD as a whole to understand where we were coming from specific to JERD.  We had previously analyzed how to achieve Surge on your opponent's turn for Overwhelming Denial, so we didn't rehash it all for JERD, even though there is a considerable functional difference between 1 spell and 2.  We had previously established that getting the first spell is partially reliable via typical, non-counter instants such as Brainstorm, Ancestral, Mystical, Gush, etc.  The fact that these instants are not a high percentage of current decks is why Steve concluded that you would be able to draw between about 2 out of every 3 of your opponent's turns.  My opinion is that 1/3 is reliable, but that's with current decklists and not one built to maximize JERD.  Both of our predictions are based on bolstering your non-counter instants with counterspells, which is why we so quickly shifted to talking about how important it is that your opponent plays spells.

I think that, with a dedicated deck, JERD could be pushed to draw on your opponent's turn about 50% of the time.  That's why the deck construction exercise is one that I'm especially looking forward to.
12  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / [Free Podcast] So Many Insane Plays Podcast Episode 50: Oath of the Gatewatch on: January 26, 2016, 12:15:31 pm
http://www.eternalcentral.com/so-many-insane-plays-podcast-episode-50-oath-of-the-gatewatch-2015-year-in-review/

Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian review Oath of the Gatewatch and the year that was 2015, including our annual Moxie awards!

0:01:00: Announcements: VSL Season 4, Vintage Checklist, NYSE Open IV
0:10:15: Proxy Tournament Hubbub
0:18:40: Steve and Rich Shay’s Letter to MTGO
0:19:00: Battle for Zendikar Report Card
0:22:40: Oath of the Gatewatch Mechanics
0:46:00: Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1:02:30: Spatial Distortion/Warping Wail
1:29:30: Crush of Tentacles
1:43:15: Goblin Dark-Dwellers
1:48:00: Natural State
1:55:50: Sea Gate Wreckage
2:20:15: Overwhelming Denial
2:34:00: Endbringer
2:54:30: Matter Reshaper
3:07:40: Thought-Knot Seer
3:10:30: Sphinx of the Final Word
3:19:15: Deceiver of Form
3:22:15: Reality Smasher
3:28:15: Stormchaser Mage
3:32:30: Dimensional Infiltrator
3:39:40: Hedron Alignment
3:40:30: Jori En, Ruin Diver
3:56:30: Mina and Denn, Wildborn
4:01:15: Wastes
4:04:00: Year in Review
4:06:30: 2015 Moxies!
Total runtime: 4:16:53
13  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Eternal Masters Set and Other Leaks on: January 25, 2016, 04:58:10 pm
What's the best possible card this set could have for Vintage?  Mana Drain?  Certainly, Force of Will helps, too, if true. 

Imperial Seal $500.00
Grim Tutor $248.74
Mana Drain $218.63
Imperial Recruiter $209.75
Karakas $160.16
Mana Crypt $152.99
Tarmogoyf $148.25
Liliana of the Veil $99.44
Force of Will $99.29
Scalding Tarn $97.50
Rishadan Port $90.45
Berserk $89.50
Jace, the Mind Sculptor $86.97
Grove of the Burnwillows $81.18
Wasteland $67.34
Karn Liberated $65.52
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy $64.94
Show and Tell $63.08
Snapcaster Mage $62.87
Flusterstorm $62.22
Horizon Canopy $61.99
Verdant Catacombs $60.52
Damnation $59.99
Misty Rainforest $58.89
Crucible of Worlds $55.95
Dark Depths $53.00
Arid Mesa $51.79
14  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Re: Current List? on: January 19, 2016, 12:29:55 pm
All, my list has been updated (through Commander 2015) and posted.  Pending Oath of the Gatewatch additions now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E__pPpcBiGNmQJ3bWVLPBjCf0LchuyPRLEIM1z04KjA/edit?usp=sharing
15  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: WotC cracking down on proxies, even in non-sanctioned events on: January 13, 2016, 12:56:56 pm
I've heard about three specific stores receiving notice.  I believe two of them are referenced by others in this thread.  The scope is broadening as more people join the conversation, and you have to believe there are many others remaining silent.
16  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Re: Survival of the Fittest - still good enough in Type 4? on: January 07, 2016, 11:52:56 am
Seems to be entirely dependent on one's stack.  Does your stack still facilitate a combo kill with Survival?  I assume most powerful stacks do.

Also, specific to Rochester, it has a lot to do with the card's timing in the draft.  Early on, you can build around it.  Later, it's not necessarily good for a median deck.

I love to draft T4 in booster and Rochester, and I love how different cards thrive in one format or the other.  Build-around cards have their variance amplified in Rochester.
17  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: The Force Awakens on: January 05, 2016, 02:37:11 pm
Also, here's a happy thought:  Jar Jar Binks was probably on (Courasant?  Couirsant?) Crossiant when it went up like a birthday candle.  Him, and everyone else in the prequels.

Assuming you're referring to the planets that StarKiller... um... 'kills' during the movie: it/they were not Coruscant, it was the Hosnian system: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_system

There is a non-zero chance that Jar-Jar was on Hosnian Prime, given it's governmental position, but we don't know.
18  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [OGW] Crumbling Vestage on: December 14, 2015, 12:21:21 pm
It's a land that produces mana under Orb of Dreams and similar effects.
19  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Re: Epic Experiment! on: December 09, 2015, 01:07:11 pm
For reference, X-spells in my stack:
- Captain's Maneuver
- Chord of Calling
- Divine Deflection
- Dominate
- Ertai's Meddling
- Flash of Insight
- Rally the Ancestors
- Shining Shoal
- Skeletal Scrying
- Spell Burst
- Wake the Dead
- Wargate
- Who/What/Where/Why/When (we errated the gain line to cap @ 10 life, because the card is otherwise so fun)
- (Aeon Chronicler)
20  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Re: Epic Experiment! on: December 09, 2015, 11:57:32 am
X being in a mana cost is not strictly a sign of too powerful, but most implementations (damage, power, life, cards) are banned in my stack.  Epic Experiment seemed to toe the line, when I put it in, but now that I've played it a few times - it's functionally more powerful than drawing.
21  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Epic Experiment! on: December 05, 2015, 12:27:27 am
So, I played T4 for the first time in years tonight. Wow, is Epic Experiment broken. Do you all play this in your stacks? Is it problematic?
22  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Re: Current List? on: November 24, 2015, 03:15:36 pm
You can check the Type 4 mesage thread on here. We usually list all the cards to get or not in the recent sets.

Wagner,

Appreciate it, but I've already done that.  Those threads would have you believe that everyone's stack has simply grown by 100 cards over the past few years.  Smile  I'm wondering what the full snapshot is for someone that has been maintaining a list all along, with adds and cuts.
23  Vintage Community Discussion / Type 4 / Current List? on: November 23, 2015, 01:22:32 pm
I'm looking to revive my T4 stack, which has not been updated since 2010 (at least).  Does anyone have a current list to share so that I can get a feel for contemporary additions?
24  Vintage Community Discussion / Community Introductions / Re: Holy crap what are you doing here on: November 13, 2015, 03:13:10 pm
This is like the beginning of a Fallout game...
25  Eternal Formats / Midwest U.S. / Collector's Zone - Jackson, MI - December 6 on: November 10, 2015, 01:12:37 pm


This will be the collector's Zones first ever Vintage event!

Doors will open at 11:30am and the tournament will start at noon!

$10 entry fee, Prizes will be paid out in store credit!

Unlimited proxies allowed!

Payout to be determined by number of players.

Everyone come out to this and make it successful so we can do more these in the future!!



WHAT: VINTAGE!
Swiss + Elimination. (T4 or T8, depending on attendance)
Entry is $10

PRIZES: Store Credit

WHERE: Collector's Zone
1425 Wildwood Ave, Jackson, Michigan 49202

Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/140930549597160/

WHEN: Sunday, December 6, 12:00pm ET
Doors will be at 11:30am and the tournament will start at Noon!

PROXIES: UNLIMITED PROXIES will be permitted.
26  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: The actual effect of Restricting Chalice on: November 05, 2015, 10:36:05 am
Wow, you all are right: restricting Chalice has had a dramatic effect on Vintage!
27  Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: Dark Depths Dredge Post MTGO Power 9 Challenge on: October 28, 2015, 03:25:38 pm
What are the 4x Chancellor of the Annex trying to disrupt?  Wouldn't most opponents just play a mox and pay the one for it??

I can't say exactly how often, but I know from playing against Dredge that I've confidently kept a number of Land/Cage, Land/Mox/Priest and Land/Mox/RiP hands that would be significantly disrupted by this.
28  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Painting the Town Blue: MSPaint 2015 on: October 18, 2015, 10:58:41 am
Thanks for the write-up, Rich.
29  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: [ORG]Jace,Vryn's Prodigy//Jace, Telepath Unbound on: October 09, 2015, 09:42:45 am
On the flip side

30  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Free Article] Laboratory Notes on: October 08, 2015, 09:15:59 am
I really liked this and I think you offer a lot of good insight.
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