Twister in hulk?

[Tank]

I'm playing a version of gor-atog/hulk which has 4 Quirion Dryads and two Psychatogs as kill-conditions. The rest of the deck is comprised of draw-spells and counterspells (4FoW, 4 Drain, 4 Breainstorm, etc). Now, here's the trick: I have the necessary power to play the deck, and I like Timetwister. I'll be the first to admiot the card is chancy at best, letting your opponent get 7 new cards can be the most stupid thing done since... well, I don't what!

However, playing a twister allows you to empty your graveyard of left-over cards, feeding them to Psychatog. You can then discard most of your hand (except for a counterspell) and then play twister, get 7 new cards and discard most of them (saving a counter-spell to keep the little fellow safe) and make him even bigger. with a little luck, you also draw cunning wish and can get a lovely berserk.

I like the idea, and it works. My friend (Malte in here) hates the idea and wants to borrow the twister for his Draw7.dec

My question is: Am I right? Is Twister completely playable in the current metagame (we have a few fish and gayred around, another gro-a-tog or two and a keeper beng the decks packing massive amounts of counterspells), or am I just a wee bit crazy to even think of including it in my deck?

[jpmeyer]

Have you ever even played Tog and GAT?  The decks run some combination of Intuition, Accumulated Knowledge, and Deep Analysis.

[rvs]

Does it make the deck better? No.

Sure, it can be randomly brutal, but when you drop a tog, you probably have already won. Why would you try to fill your opponents hand up with answers? It doesn't make sense to run twister.

[johnstown713]

It seems like a bad idea.  Isn't tog all about the graveyard.  and if you are hoping to get a cunning wish back they are removed from the game when you play them.  I don't think it is worth it but what do I know because I don't play tog.

[Razvan]

Doesn't Timetwister also clean your graveyard? Meaning that the Tog will be much less threatening?

In Hulk, that's just wrong...

[Tank]

'aight, point taken, out she goes :-/

@Razvan: that's why you feed your entire graveyard to the lovely 'tog before you play the twister

[johnstown713]

If you feed your yard to the tog then all you are doing is drawing a new hand and shuffling your library.

[Razvan]

And since Tog has card advantage in most cases, this could even give your opponent more cards.

At best, I would make this a sideboard card. If that.

[Purple Hat]

I think it falls in the category of sometimes heinously broken and brutal but mostly just unnecessary.  it gives the tog +11/+11 for three mana if the twister is your only card in hand, but if you have an active tog you're probably in good shape, and if you don't then the twister isn't going to help that.

[kirdape3]

It's awful.

Here's why.

Tog actually draws cards by means of drawers that specifically ARE NOT symmetrical.  That's how it actually manages to win games - now I have more resources available than you do.  Timetwister is first and foremost a symmetrical drawer - the reason that it's so absurd is the fact that you will get first crack at the 7 cards in a deck that's just mostly mana.

Twister's graveyard recursion also screws up the various non-symmetrical engines.  Accumulated Knowledge isn't good until you have 2 of them already in the graveyard somewhere.  Deep Analysis would be downright awful without the flashback - thereby basically making it an uncounterable 2 cards for 1U and 3 life.

Timetwister is still one of the strongest cards in the game, but you have to have a very specific use for it AND the proper resources to take advantage of it.  Tog has neither the need for that role (7 new cards is nice, but it's designed specifically to be a symmetrical rather than the necessary anti-symmetrical draw engine) nor the resources to take advantage of a Twister.

[Moridar]

Feeding your 'tog from a full graveyard on the attack will equal a win for you.   If your feeding the junk cards to the 'tog to have the goodies shuffled back in, your loosing on the Yawg's Win.  

I'd say you not run it...

Wayne

[Tank]

Yeah, like I said in my last post, I threw it out. I then put in Future Sight (scary card, 3 specific mana? However, the advantage that card gives you 3 out of 4 games is just too much to stand for Especially with the quition dryads).

anyways, thanks for the response guys, nice to hear a little more than just "other players don't play it, so why would you want to?" I like discussion, sometimes the results surprise people and end up in favour of the non-dominant opinion. This wasn't that case though... ;P

[Malte]

I rest my case  

[Azhrei]

If you voted yes, quit Magic now before it's too late.

[TheHuff]

If you voted yes, quit Magic now before it's too late.

This is tottaly true, for all of you that voted yes, just quit now...

Twister goes against what hulk is trying to do, which is abuse cards in its grave yard.  Its full of cards like deep analysis, accumulated knowledge, and its graveyard is key to creating a lethal tog.  If you use twister then all your doing is giving your oppnenet more time, this is never good.

[jpmeyer]

This has gone on long enough