Columbus Mox Tourney Results: Breakout Deck!

[Smmenen]

Top 8:
1st: New Meandeck Slavery
2nd: Landstill
3rd Place: Gay/R
4th Place: 4c Tog
5th Place: New Meandeck Slavery
6th Place: Eba Metagame Deck
7th Place: Draw7
8th Place: New Meandeck Slavery

You'll get to see the meandeck Slavery build as soon as Womprax puts the decklists up on Morphling.de!

Btw, there were as many SMemnarchs in the top 8 as there were Togs.

Steve Menendian

[Matt]

I'm giving 3:1 odds that the Slavery deck is four to six cards different than one everyone knows about.  

Am I the only one disappointed that this wasn't about a deck named after Breakout, the video game?

Who was playing what? Names are more interesting than decks.

[Vegeta2711]

Well it's hard to be a -breakout- deck when there's already 2 versions of it floating around, but whatever.

Oh man, breakout is svg. I play it on my cell when I get bored in class.  

[Dr. Sylvan]

Who was playing what? Names are more interesting than decks.

Speak for yourself, Mr. Human-Interest; I'm in it for the cardboard!

I'm seriously springing forth for these lists. And I want to know when these Columbus tournies are gonna get up to fifty people so Smmenen can distort my statistics in addition to the fabric of reality.

[Womprax]

Columbus Top8  

Smmenen, you didnt mail me who finished 1st so i just assumed that you won

Deck 4 has only 14 sb cards, so I still need the last card.

<3 Memnarch

[rvs]

And how "new" it is :p

Well, whatever. I just wanted to say props to nr7, I <3 that deck.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Well, whatever. I just wanted to say props to nr7, I <3 that deck.

Personally, I found #7's name to be the funnier bit. "Why should I have to change? He's the one who sucks!"

I crossed off the overlap between the first place deck and the Slavery article build, presuming that the article recommended Pentavus as a win condition, and ignoring the sideboards.

3 Seat of the Synod
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Grim Monolith
3 Blood Moon
1 Mindslaver
1 Windfall

4 Shivan Reef
1 Memnarch
1 Memory Jar
1 Triskelion
4 Brainstorm
1 Fact or Fiction

So twelve cards different from that (Blood Moons sideboarded in the new one, along with Trinisphere, two changes which we'll say roughly cancel each other out when comparing the two). Then I crossed off the overlap between this new build and iamfishman's New Jersey-winning deck, including sideboard.

1 Memory Jar
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Windfall
1 Grim Monolith
2 Cunning Wish
1 City of Traitors
SB:
3 Tormod?s Crypt
2 Fire/Ice
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Stifle
4 Annul
1 Pyroblast
1 Mystical Tutor

1 Memnarch
4 Brainstorm
1 Ancient Tomb

3 Blood Moon
2 Gorilla Shaman
3 Rack and Ruin
4 Trinisphere
1 Triskelion

Six maindeck cards different, thirteen sideboard cards different. I think it's safe to label most of the SB changes minimal with the exception of Trinisphere.

So it's new. Just not world-shatteringly new.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled banter.

[Smmenen]

And how "new" it is :p

Well, whatever. I just wanted to say props to nr7, I <3 that deck.

you realize Tim Allen was playing Draw7 .

Steve

[Smmenen]

Columbus Top8  

Smmenen, you didnt mail me who finished 1st so i just assumed that you won

Deck 4 has only 14 sb cards, so I still need the last card.

<3 Memnarch

It's Smemnarch  Yes, I won.

Steve

[rvs]

And how "new" it is :p

Well, whatever. I just wanted to say props to nr7, I <3 that deck.

you realize Tim Allen was playing Draw7 .

Steve

Yes sir! Call it what you will... I love the combo.

But I'm sure you knew that... :p

[Toad]

Memnarch > Magic the Gathering.

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

FYI, I was playing the tog deck, and the 15th card in the SB was a Pernicious Deed. The tournament was a blast, as I got to play against GOOD decks (although I played against 4, thats right FOUR combo decks, three of which were draw7's).  

Memnarch is AMAZING. I played Steve in the quarterfinals and game 3 saw me loosing HORRIBLY to a turn 1 slaver into a turn 2 memnarch. The slaver didn't do that much that game, as I had only 2 mana and no tog. But the moment memnarch hit, I lost all my permanents.

The field was pretty rough, as there were tons of workshop builds (slavery, wMUD, Trinistax) with only slavery T8ing. There were only 2 tog decks (I T4ed, the other one went 0-3 drop). There were 3 draw7 decks (I had the distinct privilege of playing them all, and beating them all), a couple of fish decks, a landstill deck, and some other random decks. Overall, it was a good metagame.

[Smmenen]

Well, whatever. I just wanted to say props to nr7, I <3 that deck.

Personally, I found #7's name to be the funnier bit. "Why should I have to change? He's the one who sucks!"

I crossed off the overlap between the first place deck and the Slavery article build, presuming that the article recommended Pentavus as a win condition, and ignoring the sideboards.

3 Seat of the Synod
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Grim Monolith
3 Blood Moon
1 Mindslaver
1 Windfall

4 Shivan Reef
1 Memnarch
1 Memory Jar
1 Triskelion
4 Brainstorm
1 Fact or Fiction

So twelve cards different from that (Blood Moons sideboarded in the new one, along with Trinisphere, two changes which we'll say roughly cancel each other out when comparing the two). Then I crossed off the overlap between this new build and iamfishman's New Jersey-winning deck, including sideboard.

1 Memory Jar
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Windfall
1 Grim Monolith
2 Cunning Wish
1 City of Traitors
SB:
3 Tormod?s Crypt
2 Fire/Ice
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Stifle
4 Annul
1 Pyroblast
1 Mystical Tutor

1 Memnarch
4 Brainstorm
1 Ancient Tomb

3 Blood Moon
2 Gorilla Shaman
3 Rack and Ruin
4 Trinisphere
1 Triskelion

Six maindeck cards different, thirteen sideboard cards different. I think it's safe to label most of the SB changes minimal with the exception of Trinisphere.

So it's new. Just not world-shatteringly new.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled banter.

Um, I run Memory Jar.

Steve

[Matt]

I'm giving 3:1 odds that the Slavery deck is four to six cards different than one everyone knows about.  

Who fucking called it? I fucking called it. Booya.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Um, I run Memory Jar.

I crossed it off on one list and not the other. You can see that I successfully left it on in the first comparison, and crossing off the Jar brings the second comparison into 6 : 6 balance.

*hangs head in surrender to fallibility*

[Smmenen]

I'm giving 3:1 odds that the Slavery deck is four to six cards different than one everyone knows about.  

Who fucking called it? I fucking called it. Booya.

That's wrong.

He didn't count Trinisphere, which I consdier a major advancement.  The Brainstorm + Memnarch + Trinisphere is 9 cards.  Booya.  Nonetheless, this version of meandeck slavery has a huge advancement over previous builds both in terms of understanding and mechanics.  You can't not count the Trinispheres becuase they are absolutely disgusting in their power level.

Steve

[Matt]

I don't count the Trinisphere because it's not something we haven't seen in this sort of deck before. You also haven't explained how Memnarching a Disk only costs 3, or how Triskelion is "absolutely disgusting" with Null Rod on the table.

EDIT: I spoke too soon, you mentioned these in one of the three other threads on this deck.

Still, the point stands that this is hardly a revolutionary change. Oh my god, Brainstorm is good in an inconsistent deck? Stop the presses! Obviously I didn't think of it - because you're right, I have never seriously played this deck - but it's hardly surprising. Trinisphere is a little more surprising, but still not very, and we've been seeing it tried in every workshop-toting deck for MONTHS now.

[Smmenen]

In this sort of deck?  I love it when people speak about a deck they probably haven't played or have no clue about.  

Steve

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

I just gotta say, while this deck may not look all that different from older slaver builds, it plays out different. Old slaver decks HAD to rely on cunning wish in order to deal with null rod.  Meandeck slaver really doesn't need to, as a 4/4 or a 4/5 body is enough to trounce on decks packing null rod (with the exception of O. Stompy, in which case, a memnarch still holds off armies). I see this as a MAJOR improvement, as now, slaver can "ignore" null rod and simply play aggro beatdown.

As for the brainstorm, it really is revolutionary. When EVERY SINGLE CARD in your deck is a bomb, brainstorm becomes INSANE. With old slaver, if Tog can counter a thirst and a welder, it would do fine, as it would stall out the slaver player. With brainstorm, they look 3 cards deep, meaning they can play more threats than a control player can handle. Now, I'm not the best Tog player in the world, but when I played Steve at his crib, I think I went like 1-10 vs. the slaver deck. I would assume it had a lot to do with brainstorm's digging ability.

In anycase, I give credit to Meandeck for it's changes to slaver.

-Bob

[Rico Suave]

I just gotta say, while this deck may not look all that different from older slaver builds, it plays out different. Old slaver decks HAD to rely on cunning wish in order to deal with null rod.  Meandeck slaver really doesn't need to, as a 4/4 or a 4/5 body is enough to trounce on decks packing null rod (with the exception of O. Stompy, in which case, a memnarch still holds off armies). I see this as a MAJOR improvement, as now, slaver can "ignore" null rod and simply play aggro beatdown.

Old slaver could too.  Maybe not Meandeck's old versions, but look at iamfishman's first place version which very easily followed the same path.

[Vegeta2711]

Go Matt, all hail Matt.

I was guessing more like 7-8, pfft. Didn't get as close as you.

[dicemanx]

Nice job on the victory Steve.

You called it and delivered. I just wish we could see you in action here in Toronto, because it's difficult to duplicate the successes you and the rest of the meandeckers have had with the Tog and Slaver builds. I wonder what you'd play in a sea of Landstill, Fish, O.Stompy, Dragon, etc?

[Matt]

As for the brainstorm, it really is revolutionary. When EVERY SINGLE CARD in your deck is a bomb, brainstorm becomes INSANE.

See, this is what doesn't really look revolutionary to me. Haven't we been hearing this ever since the first Brainstorm-toting builds of Keeper, two years ago? And again when combo decks started running Brainstorm? Even if it was never explicitly stated, it seems like something most people 'knew' implicitly.

[Zherbus]

You see, Matt, my buddy Steve here likes to spoon-feed.