Curious on the actual goldfish speed of FCG

[Tempe]

As FCG has taken off, I have had to encounter it in my local metagame. But, when building decks, I always want to know how much time I have before I will be killed by a certain deck. So, I am curious, to all those who have extensively tested FCG, what is the average goldfish kill? Please don't label this as one of those FCG bragging threads, as I am genuinely curious. It may be important to know this when playing slow combo, or how long I have to drop a bomb that stops FCG. Thanks in advance.

--Tempe

[SpencerForHire]

I run it budget.  I know I can go off turn 1 but always end up drawing one bad card that prevents me from doing so.  I have gone off several times turn two and generally have one any given game by turn 4 at the very latest. (Barring bad draws, and when I do not in fact draw the combo [see bad draws])

In general expect to be dead by turn 3, it's a good rule of thumb even under heavy disruption or spheres.

[BreathWeapon]

It should Goldfish on turn three anywhere from 40-70% of the time. I'd go and Email Josh to be sure.

[jCoKn]

I would agree that FCG goes off 2nd / 3rd turn but only under decent conditions. Any really heavy disruption ( nether void, moat, solitary confinement, chalice for 2, trinisphere, etc.) will really slow the deck down though (assuming opposing player can get down the disruption on turn 1/2!!!)

[SpencerForHire]

I was playing versus a wierd blue splashed chalice black and after 1 game of him getting the crap beat out of him he hit me with a chalcie for 1, (he had the mana to chalice for 2, why he didnt I am not sure)

[Vegeta2711]

It normally goes off around turn 3 when it has all it's combo pieces, but the deck really has suprised me at times with turn 2 wins. I'd say it's a 50% clip for comboing out turn 2/3 with good mulls, and if you have the proper power in the deck.

I've even managed to draw the grand exalted turn 1 win once in a real game.  

You can also beatdown and win on turn 3 with a good creature draw.

[Nantuko Rice]

FCG wins as fast as I can drop a recruiter and then a food chain the next turn. Which usually means turn two or three kill if there is nothing preventing me (spheres... killing my recruiter)

[SpencerForHire]

The only restriction is the speed in which you can drop the FC, the recruiter can be FC'd out and so can everything else.

[Petko]

I usually average it third turn. Second happens sometimes, but third is what I usually pull-off.

Of course, I'm prone to the second turn combo of Lackey + Siege-Gang

[Rico Suave]

I run it budget.  I know I can go off turn 1 but always end up drawing one bad card that prevents me from doing so.  

Huh?  Explain how you go off turn 1 with a budget version.

Josh got his turn 1 win against me, and it looked like Black Lotus, Food Chain, Mountain, Mana Crypt, Goblin Recruiter, Goblin Ringleader.  I don't see how you could do something like that on a budget.

[Jacob Orlove]

I run it budget.  I know I can go off turn 1 but always end up drawing one bad card that prevents me from doing so.  

Huh?  Explain how you go off turn 1 with a budget version.

Josh got his turn 1 win against me, and it looked like Black Lotus, Food Chain, Mountain, Mana Crypt, Goblin Recruiter, Goblin Ringleader.  I don't see how you could do something like that on a budget.

My guess would be ESG, Crypt, Mountain, Food Chain, ringleader, recruiter, 2x 1cc goblins.

I don't think it's possible with just 7 cards, though--you have to go second.