Ancestral Will

[TutoreIlluminato]

ANCESTRAL WILL 3UU
Istant
Target player draws 3 cards
You may pay 1 life and remove a blue card in your hand from the game rather than pay Ancestral Will's mana cost.


"Desires of the ancestors survive even after their death"

[Ephraim]

Aside from the fact that this can be shunted, it might as well read "Pay 1 life: Draw 2 cards." I'd say that's much too powerful. The A.C.C. needs to be really steep for this card to even be remotely fair. If that A.C.C. was really too cheap, applied to Counterspell (there's a reason why nobody in Type 1 doesn't use Force of Will), there's no way it should be considered appropriate as an A.C.C. for Ancestral Recall.

And now that I think about it, what's up with all of the cards lately that try to mimic Ancestral Recall?

[Matt]

People would rather imitate known successes than come up with something new.

Also, this is broken beyond all belief.

[TutoreIlluminato]

Surely it is really broken, and if it was a real card you can read its name on the restricted list...but in this forum we create cards for fun

[Marco]

Fun, but broken. Here's another fun, broken card:

Knowledgeblast
4RR
Instant
You may sacrifice two Mountains rather than paying Knowledgeblast's mana cost.
Target player draws 4 cards.

See what I've done, I've taken Fireblast and changed the 4 damage to draw 4 cards. Just like you've taken Force of Will and changed the counter target spell to draw 3 cards. We try to be a little more creative here. And we are creating cards for a set.

I don't know about the other cards that try to mimic Ancestral Recall, but I actually created my Ancestral Remembrance years ago and even posted it in the old forum. I only posted it again now because dandan mentioned it in MoreFling's New Card Drawer thread.

I don't think it's unusual that people like creating cards that draw cards.

[Matt]

Yeah but the number one most common card for new cardmakers to try is "fixed mana drain" or "cycle of mana drains" or something. It really betrays their inexperience, because they don't realize that the draining mechanic is inherently ridiculously broken.

Surely it is really broken, and if it was a real card you can read its name on the restricted list...but in this forum we create cards for fun

Broken cards are not fun. They sound fun on paper but playing with them soon becomes extremely tiresome, and playing against them even worse.

[TutoreIlluminato]

Matt, you're right. But we aren't planning to play with these cards, 'cause they don't and will never exist.
It' funny to create broken cards (even if it isn't broken as Ancestral or Yawgmoth's Will).
This card is more like Gush: -1 for the card itself, -1 for the removed card and then +3: you gained 1 card. I know it's really difficult, but sometimes you can be without other blue cards in hand, or be forced to remove very important blue cards...
I think that card creation is nothing more seriuos than a joke

[Matt]

If that's what you think, then you don't really belong here. This is nothing personal, I'm just saying that everyone here DOES take this seriously. I for one DO plan on playing with some of these cards.

[Ephraim]

I'm with Matt on this one. When TMD completes its fantasy set, I'll be proud to have contributed to it. If/When the TMD set is finished and the Magic Workstation version is "published," I'll happily snap it up (I might even get the Apprentice version, for the privilege of playing with my fellow TMD'ers). I've created some cards that I'm very pleased with and I've helped with other cards that've turned out well. I've looked at other fantasy card creation forums and I can see where you get the misconception that they're here just to indulge in dreams of brokenness. It isn't like that here. TMD's card creation forum, like all of its forums, holds to a high standard of excellence.

[Bram]

Indeed. Just look at the Master List. All cards have been thoughtfully discussed and are interesting and balanced. Your card is not. Unless you have a serious suggestion, please stop posting here.

[Matt]

I hasten to add that it doesn't mean we don't want you here - we just want you to make thoughtful contributions, just like every other part of TMD.

[Bram]

That's what I meant, too Sorry if that sounded a bit elitist just now. I guess it's just coz I'm feeling a bit sick. The point of the argument still stands, though.

[dandan]

I often try to think what a card should do based on its name. This is what I visuallised based on Ancestral Will

UB
Sorcery
Target player draws up to three cards of an opponent's choice from their graveyard
(That player chooses how many, opponent choooses which cards)

That is a bad Raise Dead in the early game and a mini YawgWill/Ancestral later on. As such it might just be on the right side of broken. It is undoubtedly powerful but is not crazy broken like your initial suggestion. A little voice in my head tells me it would be broken as an Instant.

I apologize if this is completely off in anither direction from where you are going but I think the above drags your idea back to reality, as well as being in flavour, basking in the glory of its ancestors and teasing deck constructors like an Amsterdam window display......