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Author Topic: Need help with a deck idea Please ^_^  (Read 1307 times)
AnOrange9mm
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« on: May 19, 2004, 12:32:11 am »

Hey guys,
I was throwing around an Idea for a type 2 deck needed some help since I havent played magic since Mirage and I dont know a majority of the new cards... here the deck I've put together so far I just dont know if there are cards out there for type 2 that would really compliment this deck... lets see what you all think... btw heres how the deck is suppose to work... I want to use the Myr Incubator to search my library for every land card except the mountain in my deck *since they are all artifact lands* then i use one of the land searching cards to get that mountain into play and use Tel-Jilad Stylus to put the mountain on the bottom of my library and I finish them off with the Goblin Belcher since they take dmg equal to basically the amount of cards left in my deck X 2... thanks tell me what you think and how to make it better.

IncuBelcher Deck

The Speed (15 Cards)
4x Vedalken Engineer
2x Copper Myr
2x Silver Myr
3x Darksteel Ingot
1x Talisman of Impulse
1x Talisman of Unity
1x Talisman of Progress
1x Talisman of Dominance

The Thinner (12 Cards)
2x Serum Powder
2x Sylvan Scrying
2x Journey of Discovery
2x Reap and Sow
4x Fabricate

The Combo (12 cards)
4x Goblin Charbelcher
4x Myr Incubator
4x Tel-Jilad Stylus

The Mana (21 Cards)
4x Seat of Synod
4x Tree of Tails
4x Darksteel Citadel
3x Ancient Den
3x Vault of Whispers
2x Great Furnace
1x Mountain
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 12:55:36 am »

Before I start offering constructive criticism, I'll say first that I think this deck is very neat. Once you've got some testing results with it, I'd be very interested to know how fast it can go off.

Unless I'm just being stupid and missing something big, why bother with the Talismans at all? Not a single one of them produces both of the colours you need. Is it so important that you have that mana from the Talisman available to you on turn 2 that those slots wouldn't be filled adequately by more mana-myr or a 4th Darksteel Ingot?

I'd recommend that you drop Journey of Discovery in favour of more Sylvan Scrying or Reap and Sow, both of which are useful for finding more than the single Mountain (Journey of Discovery finds only basic lands.) I'm also not crazy about Serum Powder and would replace it, again, with more Sylvan Scrying or Reap and Sow. If you feel that it is important that your search card puts the land into play at a reasonable cost (so you can readily use it to combo out), one or two Rampant Growth would serve you better than Journey of Discovery.

Finally, you've posted this in casual, so your combo can go of somewhat more slowly with fewer problems, but even at that, I'm seeing a fairly slow combo, even with optimal acceleration.

1st turn: Land, go.

2nd turn: Land, Vedalken Engineer, go.

3rd turn: Land, Charbelcher, go.

4th turn: Land, Incubator, go.

5th turn: Land, Vedalken Engineer, Tel-Jilad Stylus, Rampant Growth/Sylvan Scrying, go.

6th turn: Land, activate Incubator, activate Stylus, activate Charbelcher (assume nothing but land in hand): 66 damage with Charbelcher.

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You could go off fifth turn with that draw without worrying about the Stylus or the Mountain and still deal 33 damage, but that's a hard draw to come by. You might consider replacing the Talismans (or 2 of the Talismans and the 2 Copper Myr) with Vine Trellis to provide yourself with some blockers, while you work at getting the combo on the table.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 01:03:15 am »

Wow thanks a ton i really appreciate the feedback, I liked your suggestions too and your 100% right about the talismans i wasnt thinking ^_^ now for the silly question... do you think i could speed this up any way to make it more than a casual deck?
heres my new line up after your suggestions...

Speed (15 Cards)
4x Vedalken Engineer
2x Vine Trellis
3x Copper Myr
3x Silver Myr
3x Darksteel Ingot

Thinner (12 Cards)
2x Rampant Growth
3x Sylvan Scrying
3x Reap and Sow
4x Fabricate

the rest the same

PS what are some good type 2 fetching cards like fabricate, i know about Planar Portal but is it really worth the mana cost? just curious if there was any other card i could use to assure myself of the combo pieces... oh and if you couldnt tell i was a die hard ProsBloom player back in my prime ^_^
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