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Question: How would you describe your education thus far?  (Voting closed: September 12, 2004, 04:00:15 pm)
Schooled by ninja master in impregnable mountain fortress monastery./Somehow more educated than the options below. - 4 (7.5%)
Attended/attending graduate school. - 11 (20.8%)
Attended/attending 4-or-2-year college. - 29 (54.7%)
Attended/attending High School - 8 (15.1%)
I got's mah Good Enough Diploma (GED)!/I am Kowal. - 1 (1.9%)
I belong to none of the above groups. Do you have any change, sir? - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 52

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« on: September 12, 2004, 04:00:15 pm »

As a high school senior, it recently occurred to me that I should be looking at colleges. Immediately after this earth-shattering epiphany came a Socratic question: "Do I really need a college education to play magic?"

Feel free to post additional material about your school if it is indeed "the r0x0rs!!111!!" Otherwise please suffer quietly so that your moaning doesn't bring everyone else down.
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2004, 04:03:43 pm »

I am about 19/20 of the way through a four year degree and I assure you that a college education is, if not necessary, very helpful to playing Magic. The education itself does nothing for your play skill, etc. (typically), but it will help you get a well-paying job. Once you move out of your parents' house, something all of us aspire to do one day, having a good job will allow you to accumulate excess money beyond what is necessary to pay for groceries, rent, utilities, etc. which is money that is yours to do with as you please. The more such money that you have, the more Magic cards you will be able to purchase. Unless you're already fully powered, this is certainly an important consideration.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2004, 04:17:44 pm »

Do you have an equivalent for we lesser mortals across the pond? Or at least, what kind of ages are we looking at here?

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2004, 04:42:06 pm »

If you're looking for college to improve your Magic playing skills, I highly recommend you look at tech schools, where you're most likely to find fellow players.  I had all but stopped playing until I got to school (Worcester Polytechnic Institute here in good old MA, for those who care) last year and found like five people in my dorm that played at least somewhat competitively.  We all got into Type 1 and have become much better players as a result.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2004, 12:28:23 pm »

Your poll choices and explanations are quite narrow minded.

There is the possibility that someone who didn't/doesn't go to college could be self-educated to the point where attending college would be a complete waste of time and money.

For the record, I never even finished the ninth grade and I'm a better person for it.

College is only good for one thing: giving you the option of making more money in a field where prospective employers require a degree of some sort. It won't make you a better person and it won't give you access to any knowledge that wouldn't be available to you outside of an institute of "higher education".
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2004, 12:30:23 pm »

It will however provide you with valuable resources, such as instructors, who will help you to learn. Depending on the complexity of the field, self-instruction may not be feasible or even possible. Having an experienced instructor can make all the difference.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2004, 12:51:19 pm »

Quote from: kl0wn
Your poll choices and explanations are quite narrow minded.

There is the possibility that someone who didn't/doesn't go to college could be self-educated to the point where attending college would be a complete waste of time and money.

For the record, I never even finished the ninth grade and I'm a better person for it.

College is only good for one thing: giving you the option of making more money in a field where prospective employers require a degree of some sort. It won't make you a better person and it won't give you access to any knowledge that wouldn't be available to you outside of an institute of "higher education".

I agree with you up to a point, but I wouldn't have said that college/university is only good if you want a degree. I personally want to go to university more to increase my knowledge range and depth more than to be a finished product when I leave, as it were. I know I'm in a minority when I say that, but I'm just pointing out that knowledge does have some sort of point for its own sake - not just for financial issues.

However your point about self-taught people is more than valid; I know many who are, and these people are often far more genuinely intelligent than people who can simply regurgitate previously indoctrinated principles and information. For example, I know a man who taught himself ancient greek in order to do a classics degree over the last few years.

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It will however provide you with valuable resources, such as instructors, who will help you to learn. Depending on the complexity of the field, self-instruction may not be feasible or even possible. Having an experienced instructor can make all the difference.

Not quite so. Instructors tend to help people who have less desire to learn, ironically. I agree with you that if self-teaching is impossible, then instructors are better, but if you have a genuine interest to do something of your own, teachers can be more of a hinderance by imposing their values on your way of thinking - not a wholly useful or useless process.

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2004, 03:33:24 pm »

Quote from: wonkey donkey
Do you have an equivalent for we lesser mortals across the pond? Or at least, what kind of ages are we looking at here?

for all the wooden shoes, pasta-eaters and crazy snail-eating frenchman (and any other non-American I may be offending more simply by exclusion) high school would be approximately ages 14-18, then college could theoretically be any age, but generally is 18-22 or so.

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Your poll choices and explanations are quite narrow minded.

There is the possibility that someone who didn't/doesn't go to college could be self-educated to the point where attending college would be a complete waste of time and money.


Hence the ninja monastery option. Seriously though, my dad flunked out of OSU (pause for laughs) twice (pause) because he knew that he wanted to be a computer programmer and there was no reason for him to be in college although his parents were making him go. Now he has a steady job, his own abode and my stepmom. I didn't mean to dis anyone (except for stupid middle-schoolers (age 12-14) Wink ) and am more than happy to hear about good alternatives to college.

Also no slight intended to Kowal, it was purely in fun. That and my jealousy at him for being younger than me and in fact attending college.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2004, 11:26:27 pm »

Education is the single best way to achieve a better socio-economic status.  I highly recommend at least a B.A. degree from a nationally known university, it will make all the difference in the world for you...

PM me if you have further questions, I would be happy to proof an essay or something.  Education is much more important than magic.
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