[Announcement] Eindhoven T1 for a Mox Jet - 17/10/2004

[LevelZero]

Entrance: € 10,00

On Sunday the 17th of October Gamesworld is organising a type 1 tournament. When participating you have a chance to win an Unlimited NM Mox Jet, a M mirror universe or Kamigawa boosters.
The tournament is NOT dci sanctioned. Proxies are NOT permitted. Make sure you have a tournament legal deck and 2 lists of the deck printed on paper.

The tournament will be held at:

Henriette Roelants
Keldermansstraat 43/A
5622PG Eindhoven
Tel: 0031-402443336

To register either: mail your name, DCI number and phone number to Gamesworld@xs4all.nl, phone to 0031-402454391 or visit our store at Willemstraat 17 in Eindhoven.
We only have room for 100 participants so be quick.

Sidenote: It is not permitted to bring your own food and drinks, there is a bar where these will be provided.

Answers to the questions posted below should (hopefully) appear here after I've been to the store tomorrow

[mrieff]

Very good news, but:

Why is it unsanctioned?
Why do you need 2 decklists?

[Eddie]

And why would they want our phonenumber?

[Smmenen]

And if its unsanctioned, why not allow proxies?

[Shock Wave]

And if its unsanctioned, why not allow proxies?

... because proxies suck hairy bum hole.

[Smmenen]

Except for the fact that they cause growth in the t1 environemnt, a greater level of competition.  

If the reason we play t1 is becuase we like the game, then we aren't playing it becuase we want to use our cards to pwn people who can't afford or wno't buy the cards.  I'd rather play in a more competitive environment with proxies than a less competitive one without them.  If you want good competition, then I can't see a good argument against them.

[Shock Wave]

Except for the fact that they cause growth in the t1 environemnt, a greater level of competition.  

If the reason we play t1 is becuase we like the game, then we aren't playing it becuase we want to use our cards to pwn people who can't afford or wno't buy the cards.  I'd rather play in a more competitive environment with proxies than a less competitive one without them.  If you want good competition, then I can't see a good argument against them.

I was intentionally ruffling your feathers. You're right, there's almost no reason to play sanctioned T1 over proxy events, outside of the fact that Wizards won't recognize the format if it doesn't see a log of T1 events that are bringing in money for them.

I just have a bitter taste in my mouth that has remained from the last non-sanctioned T1 events that I attended or heard of (TMD Champs #1, Andy Stok, etc.). Outside of judging controversy, which seems to follow large T1 events everywhere, I've never had a distasteful experience at a sanctioned event.

[Bram]

The tournament will be held at:

Henriette Roelants

For those who want to go: this is the same venue GameForce used to hold the regular Eindhoven T1 at before they got their own playing area.

And why would they want our phonenumber?

These guys are just starting out organising tournaments. There are bound to be some things slightly 'out of the ordinary' for us veterans, but I know the people at the TO's store and they're good folk that want to do stuff like this more often. They'll catch on the the 'mores' quick enough. Just comply with the phone number thing, please

And if its unsanctioned, why not allow proxies?

It's only unsactioned because, well, it isn't sactioned, really. Not because they don't WANT it to be. I suggested the proxy thing to the TO, claiming that it might attract a bigger crowd. But since this is their first T1 tournament, they at least wanted to be sure that Eindhoven T1's core group (the gameforce tourney attendees) showed up. The reasoning being: if you look at how many people show up for Eindhoven T1, often all the way from Belgium, the north of Hollannd and even Germany for a lousy box of boosters, we'd get AT LEAST the same turnout if we did the same thing for a Mox. They just didn't want hardcore regulars to stay away because of the proxy rule. They need us there. And what's more: I know for a fact that many of them would have stayed away. Remember, we're not used to proxy tournaments over here. Many of us reason like: I don't wanna play in a tournament where some random kid with 10 basic lands with 'power' written on them can build carbon copy (no pun intended) of the deck I'm playing while I spent 3000+ bucks on mine.

I know you hate that attitude, Smmenen, but it's reality, plain and simple. It'll take a while before attitudes towards proxy tournaments change over here. And a new store that organises its first T1 tournament just wants to make a buck off it, not 'advance the metagame' or anything. It's not worth the risk to them. And I for one can't blame them.

[Thug]

They just didn't want hardcore regulars to stay away because of the proxy rule. They need us there. And what's more: I know for a fact that many of them would have stayed away. Remember, we're not used to proxy tournaments over here. Many of us reason like: I don't wanna play in a tournament where some random kid with 10 basic lands with 'power' written on them can build carbon copy (no pun intended) of the deck I'm playing while I spent 3000+ bucks on mine.

I rather win by making better plays/being a better player than by having more acces to certain rare cards, for that matter I think every non-sanctioned tournament should by allowing proxies.

It does change the metagame though, but that only makes it more attractive, proxies mean more power, which makes fish quite good, which could make workshop the better metagame choice etc etc. It's not like any random kid can just proxy up some deck and expect to get to t8 without effort, it takes a whole lot more than having acces to cards, and just that part is what makes magic interesting.

If people don't have the guts to play against people with proxied power and rather stick to the small group that does have the "real" cards; so be it, but personally I rather have a bigger group contending for the prize, more competition equals more fun to me.

Koen

EDIT: no offense to the store at all, I just can't understand the attitude you described

[rozetta]

It seems that if it wasn't for Europe, there'd be almost no regular, large, sanctioned tournaments showing up on WotC's radar. As much as the argument for proxy tournaments spreading the love and yadda yadda yadda will sway most people, don't knock the real, sanctioned, no-proxies tournaments - they're the ones that are bringing in results for the DCI. It all comes down to how dedicated people are about the game as to whether they'll make the effort to get the cards they need whether it be type 2 or type 1.

Unsanctioned might be interesting to some people in that they can take something new and experimental to the tournament without worrying about losing Vintage Rating points if the deck doesn't work out.

[rvs]

Unsanctioned might be interesting to some people in that they can take something new and experimental to the tournament without worrying about losing Vintage Rating points if the deck doesn't work out.

That doesn't fly. This is for a Mox Jet. there is nothing to be experimental about.

I don't see any reason either why they shouldn't just sanction it. It's like next to no effort.
I, for one, am very much in favor of proxies for the reasons already stated, mostly by Smmenen. People who won't show up because an already unsanctioned event is allowing 10 proxies is lame. Up until now, Bram, I heard noone from the ISP group complain about allowing a limited number of proxies. So far, only the guys from Leiden are heard complaining about it.