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There are a few elements of this card I would like to discuss. 1. Card name. I really like the card name, but does it fit? 2. Creature type. I'd like to keep it a Cleric. Ninja would fit, but I'd probably have to make it a Rat Ninja which I don't want to do. 3. Card art. Art appreciation is highly subjective, but I don't think anyone can argue that this art isn't striking. But does it fit? Without further ado, the card: Shadow Adept B Creature – Cleric 1/1 When Shadow Adept comes into play, if you played it from your hand, untap up to one land. I do think that this is a black ability, even if Priest of Gix was printed back in Urza's Saga. Edit: Removed card art. |
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2005, 11:01:21 am » |
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Current Wording:
Shadow Adept
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Creature – Cleric
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When Shadow Adept comes into play, if you played it from your hand, add B to your mana pool.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 04:20:55 pm » |
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Why not use the Priest of Gix template? That would actually make it a subtle drawback, which is cool I think.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 06:29:54 pm » |
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It also makes it less broken, since you don't get comboes with Bubbling Muck, like the blue "free" cards got with High Tide. In any case, do we care at all that either template basically makes this strictly better than Akki Rockspeaker? Not that it's a good card, but that they've recently established the correct colour/cost for this ability and we're about to print it in the wrong colour and make it better.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 06:30:37 pm » |
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I agree with RVS.
I love both the art and the name, and they work together; but how do they interact with the mechanic? It seems both inappropriate and out of the color wheel.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2005, 10:13:31 pm » |
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The Priest of Gix mechanic is how they should have done ALL such cards, but especially this black guy.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2005, 10:26:45 pm » |
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Okay. Change made.
Akki Rockspeaker sucks. Maybe it's because he's a Goblin that they powered him down.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2005, 10:43:15 pm » |
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Maybe it's because he's a Goblin that they powered him down.
Honestly, I don't see the need, but it does seem to be true. [card]Crazed Goblin[/card] makes me cry. A 1/1 for one mana with a drawback?  |
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2005, 08:54:31 am » |
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Red may well be the new colour for fast mana/Dark Ritual effects, but I honestly think that it's safe to make a card that is strictly better than Akki Rockspeaker. WotC has: Quirion Sentinel (I like the mention of adept in the flavor text, it reaffirms my belief that Shadow Adept is a good card name for this). |
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2005, 09:17:21 am » |
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Just out of curiosity, if the casting cost was 1B would it be safe to use the untap mechanic?
Shadow Adept
1B
Creature – Cleric
1/1
When Shadow Adept comes into play, if you played it from your hand, untap up to one land.
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Shadow Adept
1B
Creature – Cleric
1/2
When Shadow Adept comes into play, if you played it from your hand, untap up to one land.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 09:49:04 am » |
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I think so. You can't play this off an Academy anyway and I should think the risk is low anyway.
There's no reason for the 'up to' one land clause. You can just have it untap a land (even if the target is already untapped). The only situations where that's different is you don't control lands, you have to target an opponent's land and if neither player controls a land, you can't play this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 09:53:46 am » |
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Why is a black creature untapping lands?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2005, 10:18:55 am » |
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That's a good question. While I believe you COULD get away with a 1B untapper, the B Priest of Gix makes more sence from a flavor viewpoint. Also:  New stylee  |
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2005, 11:23:41 am » |
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Why is a black creature untapping lands?
No good reason, I guess. Back when Urza Block was released, I created this card: Enslave 3BB Enchantment When Enslave comes into play, if you played it from your hand, untap up to five lands. When Enslave comes into play, if it's in play, it becomes an enchant creature. Put target creature card from an opponent's graveyard into play under your control enchanted by Enslave. When Enslave leaves play, destroy enchanted creature. It can't be regenerated. (Wording updated to reflect changes to the Animate Dead wording.) I like this card (the black equivalent of Treachery) and didn't want it to be the only untap card in my set. So I somewhat arbitrarily assigned the Urza Block untap lands mechanic to 3 black cards (and 3 green cards) in my set. I actually like the untap land mechanic, powerful though it may be, and do not consider it a "mistake" on WotC's part. Even in retrospect, Ephraim and I have each managed to get an untap land mechanic card onto the Master List. So in my own mind, I think the card originally posted is okay. But I will go with the current wording, even though that mechanic seems to have shifted from black (Priest of Gix) to green ( Deconstruct, Turn to Dust). Bram: You have rounded edges on your card, did you use the CCG Maker to make it? (I prefer old school to new stylee...) |
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2005, 11:37:54 am » |
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No, I'm now using Set Editor (magicseteditor.sourcefourge.n et). It does old school style cards, too. I kinda lost Dante's CCG maker. I prefer he old style, too, but it's fun messing around woth the new style as well.
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<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2005, 11:53:07 am » |
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I'm using Magic Set Editor too. I didn't realize that if you use the new style template it rounds the edges of the card (I almost entirely use the old style template). I kinda miss Dante's CCG Maker. It had some features I really liked...
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2005, 11:55:45 am » |
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Isn't this kind of obsoleted by Faces In The Dark?
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2005, 12:13:31 pm » |
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After searching the black cards in the Master List, I found Faces in the Dark. The comparison is fair, but I don't know if Faces in the Dark makes Shadow Adept obsolete per se. Didn't Bram create Faces in the Dark?
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2005, 12:20:47 pm » |
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No, I did. How does it not obsolete this?
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2005, 12:28:20 pm » |
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In limited or constructed?
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2005, 12:45:01 pm » |
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Well, while I like Faces, the 'mechanic' of it being free is kind of different. I see no problem adding this to the master list, personally. We should just take care not to put them in the same set |
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2005, 01:02:34 pm » |
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No, I did. How does it not obsolete this?
Faces doesn't require a swamp in play. Getting your mana back is very different from not having to spend it in the first place. |
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2005, 08:59:16 am » |
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Yes, but doesn't that make Faces 100% superior?
I like this card too, I'm just pointing something out.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2005, 09:02:36 pm » |
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To recap, Shadow Adept is inferior to Faces in the Dark, at least on the surface; however, it is different enough that it can be added to the Master List, although we want to ensure that Shadow Adept and Faces in the Dark they do not appear in the same set.
24 hour clock on current wording.
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2005, 11:56:16 am » |
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Closed and added.[/color]
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