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« on: November 20, 2004, 12:48:25 pm »

Flood Light
1UW
Instant
Remove atleast 1 and up to 2 target attacking creatures from the game. Draw 2 cards.
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I think this could be a viable card, considering not many people play UW other than 4cc. It would defietly be good in t2, but i think would make stright UW viable in the current metagame, as it stops many different creatures. With the drawback of atleast 1 creature, the card seems fair to me.

Flood Light
1UW
Instant
Remove 1 target attacking creature from the game. Draw a card.
The invaders were spotted at a distance, and the lives of many were saved.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2004, 04:01:15 pm »

That wording should be just "Remove one or two target attacking creatures from the game".

This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too good with the double cantrip. For reference: [card]Second Thoughts[/card].
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2004, 05:00:06 pm »

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I think this could be a viable card, considering not many people play UW other than 4cc. It would defietly be good in t2, but i think would make stright UW viable in the current metagame, as it stops many different creatures. With the drawback of atleast 1 creature, the card seems fair to me.


Drawback?! What the Fuck? That only makes it better.

If you make it so it has to be two creatures and only drew one card, it might be fair, but this is just too good.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2004, 10:19:18 pm »

Incredibly undercosted.  Even with UW in the CC it's still far too good.  You're using targetting creatures as a drawback for drawing cards, when it's exactly the opposite; drawing cards only adds to the tempo swing of removing a creature from the game.  Let alone two!
Maybe if this just tapped the creatures that'd be okay.  But even Council of the Soratami (sp?) is a 2U SORCERY.  There's gotta be a better way man..
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2004, 06:02:07 pm »

I saw the drawback as being having to target a creature, so you cant just draw the cards. Ill edit it to be more fair.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2004, 07:55:27 pm »

You didn't put in the proper wording--you didn't even fix the typo. And somehow, your opponent getting to draw one card is supposed to make this fair? Not a chance.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2004, 09:55:02 pm »

The wording is the way it is to enforce that it must have a target. the way you put it, the can just play it for the card.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2004, 10:19:57 pm »

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"Remove one or two target attacking creatures from the game".

You can't play a spell without targets if it's targeted. My wording is not only fine, but correct. Yours is neither.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2004, 11:22:52 pm »

You need to either change it to "Remove one or two target creatures you control from the game.  Draw 2 cards.", which doesn't really fit with White or Blue, or change the cost to 3WU and remove the card draw.  Or you could keep the card draw and increase the price, but that may render the card unplayable except in limited.  As it is, it's waayyy too strong.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 05:01:53 pm »

How about now? What do u guys think?
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 05:24:33 pm »

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Your current wording is completely NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!
As it is now, you can remove ANY NUMBER OF ATTACKING CREATURES FROM THE GAME! That is just way way way undercosted.
I think it should remove 2 attacking creatures and either cost one more colorless, or not draw you a card at all.

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 06:18:32 pm »

Cheaper and strictly better than Second Thoughts. Your current card deserves to cost around 8 to be fair in Limited. I don't really like the flavour either, you've got a really cool name and flavour tagged onto a rather dull effect. This needs a lot of work as at the moment it's broken, unimaginative AND lacking in flavour :-/
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 07:06:32 pm »

Sorry guys. I wasnt paying attention. Its supposed to be remoce 1 target creature. Ill fix it now. Embarassed
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 07:43:23 pm »

Still overpowered.  Casting Cost needs to be 2UW.  Remove "1" from the rules text; it's not necessary.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2004, 12:34:54 am »

I think that this just isnt realistic, and rather than removing from the game, it may be more flavorful with the name 'flood light' to be something like the following:

2WU
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Up to two target attacking creatures deal no combat damage this turn.
Draw a Card.

The dealing no damage is definately white in flavor, and also would corresond with creatures being 'stunned' by the light.   And, since i'm sure it was primarily part of the reason the card was created, it still cantrips.
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2004, 01:18:19 am »

Suppose this does just remove one creature from the game. As a cantrip doesn't it intrude just a little bit too much on the design space occupied by Second Thoughts? As a non-cantrip, doesn't it intrude a little bit too much on the design space occupied by Wing Shards?

Something powerful, but possibly more fair, would be:

Flood Light
{3}{W}{W}
Instant

Remove up to three target attacking creatures from the game.


Note that this is much better than something like Wrath of God, which is totally indiscriminate in what it destroys (except in Vintage, where creatures don't attack). Also consider that to remove three attacking creatures with Wing Shards requires two spells in addition to the {1}{W}{W} of the Wing Shards. Although Wing Shards has the versatility of being easy to use when all you want to do is remove one or two creatures, this is at least comparable to Wing Shards at removing three creatures.
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