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« on: January 20, 2005, 07:07:37 pm »

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The Core (A Lockdown Deck)
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4x Doomsday
4x Shared Fate
R Wheel of Fortune
R Windfall
R Ancestral Recall
R Time Walk
R Demonic Tutor
R Vampiric Tutor
4x Brainstorm
4x Duress
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Glacial Chasm
4x Dark Rituals
4x Underground Sea
4x Underground River
4x City of Brass
6x Black Lotus + Moxen
-52 Cards
+8 other cards

The principle of the deck is to play Doomsday and "win" the next turn by stacking the deck such that you Ancestral Recall into a Shared Fate and play it.  This prevents your opponent from doing anything, as they no longer have a library to work with.  The only way to stop it, outside of counterspells, is to have enchantment destruction in hand and both counterspells and enchantment destruction can be handled with your disruption.  Playing Windfall/Wheel of Fortune seals the deal.  Of course, another danger would be your opponent dropping a creature or two, but that could probably be rectified with the addition of white (STP, Balance, maybe use Orim's Chant on the side).  Ideally, it would go something like this:

Turn 1: Play Land -> Ritual -> Doomsday
Turn 2: Play Land ->Ancestral -> Black Lotus ->Ritual -> Shared Fate ->GG

I've been out of Magic for a while and I came up with this in about fifteen minutes so I don't know if it works or not but this is just a very loose construction of what I thought might work.  Thoughts anyone? (Before I fade back into obscurity).
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2005, 07:58:16 pm »

This deck is interesting. I can't imagine ever playing it myself just because it feels dirtier than most other combo decks I've seen. You might refer to this thread where a similar idea was discussed previously. I'll repeat my commentary from that thread now:
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My biggest gripe with this deck (and I grant, it's not a very likely situation) is that you'll end up in a mirror match with another such deck. How annoying is that? You both start playing and then there's an exchange like this:

"You're playing Shared Fate too..."
"Yup."
"Has your deck got any win conditions?"
"Nope."
"Draw this match?"
"Sounds good to me."
If, in fact, this deck turns out to be good, then the mirror is going to happen more and more, which would really suck.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2005, 11:30:45 pm »

I hate one-liners, but how is this any better than Meandeck Doomsday (Meansday?)
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2005, 12:30:31 am »

Quote from: Das_Boot
I hate one-liners, but how is this any better than Meandeck Doomsday (Meansday?)


Meandeck's Doomsday needs to generate 6 mana to cast [card]Mind's Desire[/card] and can frequently only deal 20 damage.  This option achieves a lock for 5 mana.  I can see situations where this would be better, however those cases are rare and usually 20 damage is better than stopping them from drawing.
Just my two cents.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2005, 12:48:02 am »

Ok you die to more hate (random creture with power greater than 0) and run less disruption and don't kill on the same turn not to mention that you might not be able to kill them with their deck.  Also meandeck doomsday you will hit 6 every time if you are not an idiot you only need 1 b open after ancestral.  also Meandeck doomsday has the random i win anyways factor to just win now.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2005, 01:14:42 am »

It seems like it would take way to long to win after getting the "combo."  I've never been a fan of combo decks that don't win when they get the combo.  Masknaught and several of my own pet projects included.  It just makes the aggro match up that much harder.  Heck, it makes every match up harder.  IMO this kind of deck could never be better than a side project that is suboptimal to other similar decks.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2005, 04:06:36 pm »

Tutors are bad really bad in shared fate. You do know that they get you remove their library if they're able to cast doomsday? Perhaps you should consider a different route.
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