[Discussion] Some insight on Oath vs Control Slaver

[Mox Sapphire]

Hello, my name is Ici. I'm friends with Sonata of the Cathedral (Elias), as well as some other players here. I am a regular at Neutral Ground in NYC. I've been lurking for awhile, and this is my first post.

I am an oath player by MTG profession, and several reasons have prevented me from switching over to the current disputably most powerful deck: control slaver. At heart, I believe that Oath is far superior for reasons I will now address, and these reasons have kept me firmly-rooted in the oath tradition. In my opinion, Oath is the best deck, and will be for quite some time. At Neutral Ground, I regularly beat all the players except for Elias on Friday tourneys. I have faced control slaver decks many times, and I believe that oath is far superior.

Ever since Jacob Orlove won the SCG tourney with Oath, I have been fascinated by the deck. I run a variant of his deck that consistently beats slaver and most of the other top decks: TPS, etc. This is my decklist:

Current Deck- Oath Control

Main Deck: (60 cards)

Combo
4 Oath of Druids
4 Forbidden Orchard
1 Gaea's Blessing
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Spirit of the Night
 
Counter Magic
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Leak
2 Misdirection
2 Echoing Truth

Draw/Search Engine
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Brainstorm
2 Intuition
2 Impulse
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Library of Alexandria

Mana Sources
4 Polluted Delta
5 Island
2 Tropical Island
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring

Sideboard: (15 cards)
3 Ground Seal
1 Back to Basics
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Arcane Laboratory
1 Platinum Angel
1 Pristine Angel
1 Iridescent Angel
1 Tormod’s Crypt
2 Energy Flux
2 Control Magic

Oath is superior to Slaver because: it has a cheaper win condition, half of which cannot be countered. The draw engines are similar, with Slaver engine slightly better, depending on build. Oath also has more counters than slaver. Mana leaks are amazing, one of the best counters in the game. The inclusion of mis-d's also give strength to the deck. Once oath is up and running with 1-2 counters as backup, the game is usually over.

Anyway, please feel free to discuss any interesting points. If Oath is truly better than slaver, why hasn't it won any major tourneys recently? Why is oath dying?

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[Mixing Mike]

http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21835

It's like four threads from the top of this forum, and probably has everything you'll need to know.
Next time, just let a moderator know about this thread.

[Mox Sapphire]

Why is oath not in T8's anymore then?
This post is just unacceptable. Warning for spam.

[banks]

i play oath and for i while now i have been thinking, have any of you tryed to play with guzzigost as a faster win condition? First oath put guzzigost in play then next turn stack the abilitys let oath resolve deck youself then let guzzigost's ability resolve puttuing opt and time walk on the top of your deck and just go infinit. It would give you more main deck room too for more protecting and countering. Just a thought from and oath player though.
Gurzigost is incredibly fragile. You lose to Swords, Ancestral, a counter for the Time Walk, etc. And you don't have room for disruption, just for counters--which you'll need to spend ensuring that Oath resolves.

[Mox Sapphire]

mmmm..... no, that's a terrible win condition.
mmmm..... no, that's a terrible post. Warning for spam (again!)

[banks]

what terrible why i don't see how it is deffret from akroma sprit?
Even if we ignore the horrible grammar and spelling, this post is a one-line question. Posts like this detract from conversations, they don't add to it.

[Sr0mZ0]

Color= Green  Type= Creature - Beast  Cost= 3GG TO(R)  
Text (TO): 6/8. ; At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice ~this~ unless you put two cards from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. ; {G},Discard a card from your hand: You may have ~this~ deal its combat damage to defending player this turn as though it weren't blocked.


What is the interest of gurzi in the oath build?
If you oath in an other creature with a blessing after oath in gurzi, you must sacrifice it from his own capacity the next turn... Except if you can pay GGGG or GG+spell.. That is terrible...

Plus the two card in your grave goes on bottom of your LB...
The whole point is that you would NOT run Blessing. That way, you oath up Gurzigost the turn after you play oath, and then the next turn, you dump your whole library into the graveyard, and then use the 'Gost to put exactly two cards back. It's like the old Oath/Krosan Reclamation combo, only more fragile and slower.

[Jacob Orlove]

Not only is there already a good thread on this topic, but this thread is just horrible. Closed.