Duplicant

[LotusHead]

When a Duplicant comes into play via Welder, Tinker or even (gasp) hardcasting, it gets the power/toughness of the Duplicated creature.

I feel that the Duplicant's power MAY be only what is PRINTED on the duplicated creatures power/toughness area (bottom right of card), but maybe that +1/+1 counters may be included, etc.

IE, if I Duplicate a Darksteel Colossus, I know that my Duplicant is a vanilla 11/11.  If I Duplicate a Killer Bee which is 4/5 due to GGGG being pumped into it I should PROBABLY get a 0/1 creature....If I Duplicate a freshly cast Arcbound Worker (1/1 at the time), I should (probably) get a 1/1 Duplicant out of it...but say, if I Duplicate a Llanowar Elf, with 2 Aspect of Wolf, Cranial Plating, and Holy Strength, with my opponent having 3 artifacts, 4 forests out, I would still only get a 1/1 Duplicant, right?

Thanks for the help!

[crazedpenguinman]

Copies the power in the bottom right hand corner. Killer bees, you get a 0/1. If you duplicate an arcbound worker, Duplicant becomes a 0/0. Lanor elves is still a 1/1 after duplication.

[Nefarias]

Remember that when it's Imprinted, it becomes RFG, and the Imprint doesn't realize that it had any enchantments, counters, pump activates, or Enrages or anything like that. It forgets anything that may have happened to the creature while it was in play. So yeah, no matter what, it just looks at the numbers in the corner, even if it's 0/0.

[thorme]

So yeah, no matter what, it just looks at the numbers in the corner, even if it's 0/0.

Actually, there is one exception.  Duplicant works differently if you're playing in the Gencon 2004 World Championship Event.

[ProZachar]

Also note that face down cards get flipped face up when they leave play, so Duplicating a face down Exalted Angel gets you a 4/5; Duplicating a Mask-ed Phyrexian Dreadnought gets you a 12/12.

[Tristal]

Are you sure?  Seems like the printed power and toughness on a face-down creature would be null/null.

[epeeguy]

Are you sure?  Seems like the printed power and toughness on a face-down creature would be null/null.

Actually, it's not quite that complicated thankfully.  Duplicant only gets the power and toughness of a creature card that has been imprinted on it.  Now, most cards that are removed from the game, are removed from the game face up.  Certain effects cause them to be removed face down, but for the most part, they are removed face up (that's 217.7b).  So, if you remove a face down Dreadnought via Duplicant, it will be turned face up when it is removed from the game (since the effect doesn't say it is removed face down) and the Duplicant will use those values, just as ProZachar noted.

As for what happens if the card is somehow removed and kept face down... you got me.  I would think that it would be treated just as a "card", rather than a "creature card".  So, Duplicant would use the printed power and toughness on the card (as it only uses those from a creature card).  This would seem to be similar to if Duplicant removed an animated Treetop Village; when it is not in play it is not a creature card  and the Duplicant would simply be a 2/4.  But, that's an interesting question...

[Tristal]

Ah, I understand, it can use those values because it continuously sees them on the card while it's imprinted.

If I'm right, that also means if your opponent Living Wishes for the guy imprinted, your Duplicant becomes 2/4 again, yes?

[epeeguy]

Ah, I understand, it can use those values because it continuously sees them on the card while it's imprinted.

Yeap.

If I'm right, that also means if your opponent Living Wishes for the guy imprinted, your Duplicant becomes 2/4 again, yes?

That would be correct.  The Duplicant only uses the values of the imprinted card if it's a creature card.  If the imprinted card is neither a creature card, nor imprinted on it any longer, then the Duplicant is just a 2/4.

[Tristal]

I was basing my earlier logic off knowing that Morph creatures are Mana Drained for zero mana, as that's what's written, but Imprint keeps track of the card, so it knows after it's done doing its thing.