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« on: April 10, 2005, 12:42:49 am »

A quick question about disrupting shoal.

Am I able to remove a card with cc of 4 when the spell I'm targeting has a cc of 5, so the spell won't be countered but I will get rid of cards in my hand.  It came up when my opponent played mindslaver and I had no blue mana open, can I pitch a ancestral recall to shoal, so it's not in my hand when my opponent has control of my turn.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2005, 12:45:04 am »

You may remove a blue card with converted mana cost X in your hand from the game rather than pay Disrupting Shoal’s mana cost.
Counter target spell if its converted mana cost is X.

Yes, you can do this.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2005, 12:46:39 am »

Well, while playing MTGO I tried to pitch an inspiration to it, when my opponent played mindslaver and it wouldn't let me.  That really threw me, are you positive it works?
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2005, 12:48:11 am »

Yes. Shoal can target anything and it only has an effect if the CC matches. It's the same issue as the difference between Pyroblast and Red Elemental Blast.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2005, 05:02:20 am »

Matt is 100% correct.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 02:42:11 pm »

To get more detailed, you pay all costs to alt. cast the Shoal.  Then once the Shoal resolves, it check the CC of the targetted spell and then will either counter it or not after checking the cost of the RFG-ed card.
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 03:28:06 pm »

To get more detailed, you pay all costs to alt. cast the Shoal.  Then once the Shoal resolves, it check the CC of the targetted spell and then will either counter it or not after checking the cost of the RFG-ed card.

Correct.

To clarify, here is the text of REB vs. Pyroblast as Matt brought up.

Pyroblast:
Choose one — Counter target spell if it’s blue; or destroy target permanent if it’s blue.

REB:
Choose one — Counter target blue spell; or destroy target blue permanent.

Technically, it is possible to Pyroblast any permanent, but it does not destroy that permanent unless it is blue.  REB on the other hand cannot be played at all if there is no blue permanent on the board (assuming empty stack).  Pyroblast was in heavy use during the days of Black Vise, since it is possible to dump it on a random land and save some life.  This all changed however when Mis-D starting seeing greater play, since if Pyroblast targets a permanent (say, B2B) then it is possible to Mis-D it to any permanent, including your own Island.  The same cannot be said regarding REB, which must be Misdirected to another blue permanent and in most cases there isn't another blue permanent so Mis-D can have no effect. 

Knowing these wordings determined a lot of control mirrors back when B2B was popular, and I saw a lot of players lose even with REB because they never let the stupid B2B resolve and target it with the other mode.

Similar to Pyroblast, Shoal can technically target any spell on the stack as long as all of it's costs are paid, however it only has an effect if the removed spell matches up with the CC of the targetted spell.
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