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« on: May 09, 2005, 06:28:26 am »

Lunar has been taking over the Reports from the West Coast role lately,with Eudemonia's Awesome Power Nine Series tournaments. Well, a Piece of Power as the Prize for 9 Tournies (once every three weeks) in a row.  Unspectacular if you are in SCG Power Nine Series, but HARDCORE here on the West Coast. It's all we got.

28 people with mothers on the East Coast came to play Vintage on the West Coast on MOTHERS DAY in Berkely, CA for the 4th in the Eudemonia Series.

No, I did not win the Mox Jet, even being Oath Salvagers Guy in NorCal.  Some other guy won with Oath Salvagers, winning 6 rounds of undefeated (2 actual game losses) and winning both games of Top 4. (my Oath Salvagers build made top 7, but only top 4 mattered in this tourney). His build had Oath, Salvager, Gifts, Thirsts, Regrowth, Will and BrainForceDrain stuff.  Pretty cool.  Looks cooler than my build, and I LOVE my build.

2nd Place: Dan Messeiano playing what looked like Gifts Tendrils

3rd/4th Place: Keven Schelsomething (Lunar Help Me Out Here) playing MultiColor Control and
                   Alex Bloch (age 14 of Team Scrubland from Vacaville, home of LotusHead) playing Oath (w/Duress)

The field looked like Gifts Belcher (SSB or whatnot), Oath (rampant), Stax, and other decks (Birdsh#t/scrub Tendrils, madness, BURN, SCG Affinity (with Retrievers, etc) and so forth.  Pretty broad spectrum.

The winner may or may not want to write a tourney report (I hope he does), but he is a reader of TMD and had his own build of Oath Salvagers. (I'm sorry I forgot your name. My top 4 team mate insisted on keeping the list of players...)

All in all a fun day.

My 1 Line Tourney Report: I lost my first two rounds for crazy reasons, then won the next 4. That's Life, but not good enough for top 4.

Enjoy, I'd be glad to answer any questions about the tourney...



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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2005, 01:44:37 pm »

Kevin Schambers (I think thats how you spell it right kevin??) of "team jansport"(we really just play at the local shop together and arent a real "team") made top 4 with 4cc

Dan Messinger (is what I have from my match notes from when I played him) was playing TPS.

There was a few SSB builds, at least 4 salvager oath builds, some other random combo decks like TPS, 2 land belcher, staff/metalworker combo, at least one buy probably 2 ug madness decks, birdshit, and a ton of stax type builds.

Of 28 people probably something like this

3-4 Salvagers
2 Akromoa type Oath
3 SSB
5-6 Stax
2 4cc
1 TPS
1 2 land belcher
1 Cerebral Assasin
1 Not Affinity deck
1 or 2 CS
1 Birdshit
1 or 2 UG madness
1 Sligh
any thing else I didnt get to see.

I played the opposite of LotusHead, winning my first two then losing 3 before winning my final match.  My complete tourney report and mini-primer on the new cerebral assasin build called brain rapist I was running can be found in the vintage forum on starcitygames.com

I note it there as well but I will mention it here, that I was incredibly dissapointed in how eudemonia handled this tourney, and in small part how they have handled this entire series.  No excitement is being generated for the tournies beyond the fact that there is 1 piece of power up for grabs.  Beyond that only being able to cut to top 4 makes it not worth well over an hour long drive for me.  In the future they need to get more prizes (or at least cooler better prizes) involved much like Whos On First does, and get other draws to the tournies (like magic artists to sign cards and such) 

5th place received a foil mother of runes because it was mothers day.....do I even need to say how lame that is?
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 01:37:26 am »

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Beyond that only being able to cut to top 4 makes it not worth well over an hour long drive for me.
Cutting to top 4 eliminates the intentional draw factor, which promotes a healthier event upholding the integrity of the game.

 If the drive isn't worth the time spent at the tournament, don't show up. Eudemonia is a good store and I fully support the way that Ryan runs the tournaments there.


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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2005, 04:29:19 pm »

I personally have liked the shop in the past, and the intentional draw factor is something I can understand.  I was speaking more to the point that it is tough to rationalize an over $50 entry (gas is expensive) if we cannot even get 32 players to play for a jet.  I understand how it was run, and for what reason.  I simply think they need to attempt to draw more players in the future. 

Beyond that a certain employee there...I dont know his name unfortunatly, is continually rude and severely lacks in customer service skills....things are starting to get worse, and if you cannot see that david I suggest you take a closer look...I am not the only player dissapointed in this tourney.  You werent even there to argue for them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 05:12:46 pm »

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You werent even there to argue for them.
No, I was too busy playing in Pro Tour Philadelphia.

Regardless of whether I was there or not, I've been to enough events that have been held there to be able to compare the qualities of said events to events run by other tournament organizers of various levels, from pro tours, grand prixs, all the way down to casual FNM. I can only reiterate, Ryan runs his events professionally.

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Beyond that a certain employee there...I dont know his name unfortunatly, is continually rude and severely lacks in customer service skills....things are starting to get worse

If you have a problem with any employee, I suggest you talk to the co-owner Tim Wang.

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I was speaking more to the point that it is tough to rationalize an over $50 entry (gas is expensive) if we cannot even get 32 players to play for a jet.
Since you're trying to rationalize going to the tournament from a monetary standpoint, you should consider the fact that with a larger attendence, there are more rounds and more people which has a variable increase of skill level based on basic statistics. If one were to look at any given tournament, weigh the costs and risks of said tournament with the potential payout, any person would agree that a lower attendence is more beneficial for any given person. Less people means less rounds required to win before having the opportunity to draw into top-4, top-8.

From an organizer's standpoint, the more people attending, the better. Increased amounts of people will create more revenue taken in at said event, which, for the most part, translates into better secondary prizes.

There are often scheduling conflicts for tournaments. Not everyone planning to attend will be able to simply because it's on the wrong day for that person. The jet tournament, was held on mother's day; the same with the emerald tournament and Easter. Most people will be able to make any given tournament, however, some won't. Another factor to consider is the fluxation of people playing type-1 in the Bay Area. At this time two years ago, there were weekly tournaments at C&J's bringing 30-40 people on a regular basis. Now, it's hard to get 8.

Advertising is another difficult task. There are no bars where "magic people" go to. There are advertisements on Eudemonia's web page, inside the store on big posters, here on TheManaDrain. Flyers are handed out at pre-releases. There are only so many ways and places to advertise and I don't think that you realize that.


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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2005, 03:41:17 pm »

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Regardless of whether I was there or not, I've been to enough events that have been held there to be able to compare the qualities of said events to events run by other tournament organizers of various levels, from pro tours, grand prixs, all the way down to casual FNM. I can only reiterate, Ryan runs his events professionally.

I have gone to 3 of these mox tournies and I agree that generally they are well run, just not this past one in several matters...they need to at least go back to how the first several were. (low turnout due to easter and mothersday was just ignorance on choosing dates, I was told by several employees there that the dates were a mistake, so that is a bad excuse for low turnout since that was their fault as well)  If ryan is the head judge then he is doing a fine job and should keep it up. (unless is he in charge of all the other aspects of advertising, promoting, store operations etc etc)

the monetary reason is simply that I dont like expending money to go play against 28 people, and when players like you are gone it makes the skill level of the whole thing drop, and thus not as exciting.  I understand your impressions about less players = better chance to win, but for me and many others winning isnt everything.  I enjoy playing more rounds, against more good players.....regardless of if I win every time. 

 I made top 8 at the ruby tourny, and I got second (after beating you mister pro tour player) at that little mana drain tourney at whos on first, skill levels arent a problem for me. I enjoy playing games of magic in a tourney setting, the more rounds the better, the more skill the better.

Advertising costs money yes, and isnt always easy...I dont see how Eudemonia holding a series of power tournies though is more difficult to advertise for than that mana drain tourney that whos on first held. 

I am speakig directly about making this a more inviting and fun atmosphere that will attract more players (and if you get artist signing involved or other such ideas you can bring in players from outside of T1)

We also got to see the loss of complementary computer time (things like free computer time is what I am speaking about, give players extra reasons to come, even if they arent super pro magic players)

I have attended all but the easter tourney, with a decent part of my team, and we always place at least one player top 8.  I know your mister hard core and you have problems with losing, but dont try and claim that I am complaining because of skill level issues. (I watched your final match against jeff in the pearl tourney...and the tantrum that followed)

After going to 3 of the 4 I would say that this past one was the exception, and I have no problems with any of the judging or how the rounds were set up.  I fully understand why we only did cut to top 4 last time, I realize that this was the best way to go about this tourney...I simply believe that Eudemonia isnt doing enough to keep players and generate new players to get us back up to the 6 rounds cut to top 8 format. 

I will say again what I said last time...ryan did a fine job of actually running the tourney, the shop did a bad job of executing a good environment.

As to talking about an employee to that guy, I believe that the person I have had multiple problems with is one of the part owners....what do I do about that eh?

Advertising can be done more simply by asking other shop owners to post info on the tournies, they can also attempt to post on more than one site than here (especially since this site has been on the decline as of late) there are a bunch of bay area posters on starcitygames, and I never see any tournie posts on there.  (it just takes a minute to post a new thread in the vintage section there)

I generally do my best to get more players to play, anybody I find that is from northern california that isnt attending I generally send a PM to and try and get them to come.  I try to do my part, how bout you and the store that wants to make some money off it?

Hope that gets your blood boiling a little bit david...just trying to keep everybody on their toes. No real hard feelings.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2005, 06:12:12 pm »

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I don't have a part other than showing up. There's a tournament being held. I show up. That's honestly all that anyone should think about, showing up. Everything else should be handled by administration, which, I am not a part of or desire to be a part of.

Sure, starting a thread on SCG is good, why don't you go do that.

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As to talking about an employee to that guy, I believe that the person I have had multiple problems with is one of the part owners....what do I do about that eh?
Well, unless you can't handle confrontation, I suggest you talk to said person. Better to enlighten someone about how you feel rather than being uncomfortable about something trivial.

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Hope that gets your blood boiling a little bit david...just trying to keep everybody on their toes. No real hard feelings.
Oh, don't worry, I don't get flustered over this. I'm still ice cold like always.

On the other hand, someone looking back on a match where he combos me out on turn one both games and thinks that the match was some epic battle of skill, witt, outplaying, or whatever, saying, "Good Game" afterwards, is not only a moron, but completely naive.

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2005, 06:58:46 pm »

well, jeffs a nice guy, and stuff like that happens when your playing against combo (i know, it happens to me too) It was a little overboard man. but beyond that...

I have posted and PMd a bunch on starcity, and ive even sent flyers to stores like adventures and A1 in sacramento, and to my local store castle comics and games.

I try to just come and play, but I really have high hopes for our area and would love to see more effort put into it.  It just seemed to me (and im not the only one david) that the effort and care was gone for the last one (which you didnt have a chance to see)  I live an hour and a half away (at least when I drive fast) from Eudemonia and I go down there just to trade and buy cards a lot of the time because I like the store so much, it just so happens that the last few times ive been there I have had bad experiences.  I dont have problems with confronting things (one example would be these posts to you david) I enjoy talking shit.  This guy however has been just rude and doesnt even deserve my time.  I was in the process of buying cards (I had cards picked out and info in the computer) and he just started ignoring me half way through the process to help out like 4 other customers (even though I was first in line) This wouldnt have been such a problem because sometimes you get distracted, but I have had problems with him before as well. (I would like to note that EVERY other employee there has been really cool)

I dont know how far you travel to Eudemonia (your obviously willing to travel for magic as you were in philly last weekend) but I like for my time to be worth it, remember im not interested in winning every time (although making top 8 is generally a goal) but I do want to have a day of competitive magic that lasts and is fun and enjoyable.  It would be extra cool if Eudemonia showed that they cared about players having this fun and enjoyable time at their tournies.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2005, 07:34:23 pm »

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I try to just come and play, but I really have high hopes for our area and would love to see more effort put into it.  It just seemed to me (and im not the only one david) that the effort and care was gone for the last one (which you didnt have a chance to see)  I live an hour and a half away (at least when I drive fast) from Eudemonia and I go down there just to trade and buy cards a lot of the time because I like the store so much, it just so happens that the last few times ive been there I have had bad experiences.

I know what you mean. Having to travel for an event and be disappointed is never fun although I doubt that the person who was working there was one of the co-owners. There are three owners: Tim, Eddie, and some other asian guy who I don't see there ever. Tim is a short asian guy who uses a computer console most of the time I see him there. Eddie is a tall white guy who does the same so I doubt that you'd have any trouble in talking to Tim about whoever you had trouble with.


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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2005, 09:11:28 pm »

its a kinda big grizzly adams lookin white dude...you know who im talking about?

hes just rude...

Anyhow, im sure ill see you on the 29th when im beating you for the time walk  Cool

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2005, 02:22:18 am »

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That's Rob.

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Anyhow, im sure ill see you on the 29th when im beating you for the time walk 
Excellent, i'll make sure to write that on your tombstone after i turn in the match result slip!  :lol:


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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2005, 02:58:47 am »

baring anything funky, i should be there, gawd i dun wanna prepare for that meta at all. so i wil lbring kobalds~!

maybe.

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good luck both of yas.

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2005, 03:04:41 pm »

cool morganti, hope to see you there.

@david 

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2005, 07:08:20 pm »

Take it to PM, guys. Closed.
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