Tidal Gifts -- High Tide Combo

[That0neguy]

WHy is crop rotation not included??

also any tips on the sb since you said you changed it a lot.

I was thinking something like
4 pithing needle (welders/fish)
4 xantid swarm (these seem like they would be ridikulous in conrol mirrors)
Maby some durees and then wish targets you mentioend chalice as well but since it only seems half decent for 0 not really affecting many combo decks and 1 would hurt you a lot it doesn't seem smart

[Glix]

Crop rotation is really not needed at all, and takes away from better spells that do more.  During the combo turn, islands end up producing so much mana, that in combination with fs and time spiral there is no need for more acceleration.  The deck space is tight as is, and does not need to be clogged up with cr.

4 needles are a bit much, 3, imho, is the most I would run.  Swarm is a very good idea that deserves testing.  However in both cases, what are you going to remove for those cards plus blasts?  The decklist is tight, one must keep in mind.

Chalice is very good nowadays.  Against the standard Gifts builds, chalice for 2 owns them, all you need is to get rid of there 2 bounce spells, and you win.  Against other combo decks, chalice for 1 hurts you, but it hurts them more, and you are prepared for it, so you can remove 1 mana casting threats.  Also, they can boost storm by casting for 0.  that being said, 3, again, if any, is the most I would run.

[That0neguy]

Im taking crop rotation out it proved to be not that great since I wouldn't seems to have as many artifacts out to make it worthwhile the sideboard cards where mostly just suggestions and probbaly not the right number.  Im not sure I run the 3 color version so I wouln't side in blasts

[forests failed you]

I've been playing something similar (albiet less broken) in Legacy and it is insane.
Good Luck WW.

[jackpot]

So If someone randomly goes 1st turn EXTRACT and you don't have Force, you lose, right? I suppose you've got cunning wish for brain freeze still, but watch out. DSC will be there for you I guess. Or will he? 

[Negator13]

Nobody plays Extract.

[NWI Team_Zilla]

I don't think that Jackpot meant Extract so much as he meant Removed-from game cards in general, because Jester's Cap, Cranial Extraction, ect, because though they may not actually see a lot of play, they are all still bound to show up.

[jackpot]

No, I really meant extract. And yes RFG effects are really good against these combo decks. There was this one Tinker deck that made it to  the top 8 at a Star city games T1 tourney and it's lone win condition was DSC/tinker. This got me thinking. Getting through the counters is difficult, but I'd rather deal with mana drain than a DSC or Tendrils for 40. Burning wish can get back Tendrils, but you usually see cunning wish played. Cranial extraction is just too expensive at 4ccc for T1. It's also a sorcery. Then again, let's be thankful for that, because it would be in every deck if it were less. Of course the really bad part about cards like extract, jester's cap and others is that it it doesn't effect their hands. Just what' s  in their deck. Chances are good however that the key card is in their deck still first turn. And be prepared to force  their force/mana drain. In the current metagame with all the combo, you could argue that extract is justifiably a main deck card. You can take oath's two creatures or their salvager, you can take tendrils, a mindslaver, a DSC, and so on. Taking a jitte from a fish deck isn't that bad either. You can misdirect extract. That player can remove nothing from their deck or some dead card if they're smart however.