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Riposte  {W} Instant Choose one -- Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn; or the next time target creature would deal combat damage this turn, that damage is dealt to target creature instead. Entwine  *** I recently suggested Riposte as the name for another card, but I was told that it was too elegant a name to use for such a techy card as that was. This gorgeous little combat trick is totally worthy of the name, I believe. +2/+2 embodies the notion of parrying an attack and immediately counterattacking. Damage redirection is another possible interpretation of a riposte. My biggest concern is that the damage redirection half of this is too powerful. I considered that it can only redirect combat damage and only to another creature. That seemed like enough limitation to make {W} a fair price. Obviously, all of the really neat tricks happen when you pay the Entwine cost, but considering that this entwined costs nominally more than Master Warcraft, I'm not too concerned about this being overpowering, even at uncommon. *** Current Wording:
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2005, 12:39:12 am » |
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It needs the "Choose one -- blah or blah" template.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 12:43:39 am » |
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This card says abuse trample to me. Your 4/4 trampler got blocked by a 5/5? Oh, look, your creature's dead, and 4 to you, and 2 more if I have 2 colourless.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2005, 11:21:27 am » |
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This card says abuse trample to me. Your 4/4 trampler got blocked by a 5/5? Oh, look, your creature's dead, and 4 to you, and 2 more if I have 2 colourless.
I don't exactly understand the scenario you're describing. The card, as proposed, can't redirect damage to a player. Running through the various permutations in this situation, I can't see where you're getting the numbers you've posted. Could you clarify, please? Who controls which creature? Who is casting Riposte? What modes/targets is that player using? |
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2005, 12:36:57 pm » |
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This card says abuse trample to me. Your 4/4 trampler got blocked by a 5/5? Oh, look, your creature's dead, and 4 to you, and 2 more if I have 2 colourless.
I don't exactly understand the scenario you're describing. The card, as proposed, can't redirect damage to a player. Running through the various permutations in this situation, I can't see where you're getting the numbers you've posted. Could you clarify, please? Who controls which creature? Who is casting Riposte? What modes/targets is that player using? Here's what he sees: 4/4 trampler is blocked by their 5/5. You redirect the 5/5s damage to itself (which I believe you want the card to be unable to do), and then the trample damage somehow gets assigned to the player (which I'm pretty sure you can't do here). |
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2005, 05:43:17 pm » |
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Ah. I see. It would work if the trampler were being blocked by a first striking creature. I don't really mind that the creature can deal damage to itself, but it would be more flavourful if this instead read, "The next time target creature would deal combat damage this turn, that damage is dealt to another target creature instead."
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2005, 09:07:07 pm » |
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That wording is confusing as it's not clear whether "another" specifies (not the old target) or (not itself).
If you allow a creature's damage to be reflected onto itself, this card effectively reads "destroy target blocked or blocking creature and it deals no combat damage this turn" in almost every situation. This isn't an unbalanced effect for WR, but I don't really think it's what you want it to do. Note that it makes the +2/+2 option mostly obsolete. I'm aware that there are situations it is good in, but for the most part they are not as powerful as the removal application.
I'm not a judge, but as the active player and controller of the effect, what sort of stack tricks you can do with the replacement effect amd combat damage is unclear to me. Since Jacob doesn't seem sure himself it might bear re-wording.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2005, 10:00:00 pm » |
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Just so it's clear, the +2/+2 option can be used as weak pump even if the creature is unblocked. The other way I intended for it to be used was when an opponent chump blocks. You can pump your opponent's creature and then redirect its damage to another one of their creatures to get a double kill.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2005, 11:32:08 pm » |
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Despite my earlier enthusiasm for this, I think I'm going to do some retooling. I'm probably going to remove the modality and just leave in "Choose a creature. The next time that creature would deal combat damage this turn, that damage is dealt to target creature instead." (this wording should alleviate the ambiguity Liam-K noted.) Cost-wise, does this still compare appropriately to cards like Boros Fury-Shield and Reflect damage?
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2005, 12:10:44 am » |
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I think this might actually be more interesting with Kicker than with Entwine.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2005, 11:56:34 pm » |
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What exactly would the kicked ability be? Should I keep the +2/+2 pump? Should it affect any target creature or only one of the creatures already being affected by this card? The advantage of just having the one, simple, but interesting ability is that it seems more worthy of the simple, elegant name, "Riposte."
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 05:36:18 pm » |
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Oh, true enough. No keywords, then.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2005, 08:35:01 am » |
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2005, 04:37:30 am » |
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