Aggro Workshop vs. Cerebal Assasin

[nataz]

meh, chant seems sub-par in just about every match.

Oath: REBs and Rays are better
CS: REBs and needle
Gifts: REB and crypt

Chant isnt bad, but the other options are better I think

P.S.
In case anyone is curious how I SB
cron stax: 2 ray, 2 rack and ruin
stax: 2 rack and ruin, 3 needle
combo: chants, and x crypts
fish, CS, Oath, Gifts: already listed

[crazedpenguinman]

As far as assasin builds go, I've been playing it for ages here in Australia, and I have done pretty well

Try circular logic over the FoW/duress trust me, you'll be impressed. Intuition is ridiculous. I'm not impressed with reanimate or living wish, if they work for you thats great, but I think they are two slow for me.

Lunar and Nataz, any thoughts on the Uba stax machup? I've played the deck for ages, but I am having trouble with this matchup, my bazaars always die. Also, what list are you using nataz?

[Lunar]

reanimate too slow??? whatever...

Try circular logic over the FoW/duress trust me

why should we trust you? What test results or tourney results do you have to show that CL is better than duress or force of will? What situations do you use it in...when is it good, when is it bad?  The trust me argument is 100% the worst way to get people to atempt your idea. (unless you are steve menendian)

circular logic is dependant on a number of things and is almost 100% worthless for the deck in the first several turns...its especially bad for the deck to use without bazaar active...but then with it active you start to use bazaar defensively and this deck doesnt want to play the control...

Ive recently been testing against vromans uba stax list a bit (mainly because I have both built right now)

I am sure part of my testing results from me being an avid CA player and not used to Uba but Cerebral assasin (at least my build) is coming out on top by a small margin...out of maybe 20-30 games played CA is probably 3 or 4 games above .500 against it.

If youre main problem is because bazaar is dying then either you are relying too heavily on bazaar, or you are keeping bad hands...bazaar cannot be a crutch for the deck, it should be a one or two usage win condition for you.

The only time I have too much problem against uba is when they resolve first or second turn stack and I cannot get my permanents going...the matchup shouldnt be any worse than normal stax and might even be better than something like chron stax since it doesnt attack real resources as well..uba attacks future resources...

Perhaps if we knew your list penguinman we could see where problems might be occuring..

Nataz's list is in one of my posts above....

[vroman]

Ive never played or tested against cerebral, but I can imagine it being a hard matchup. its rare to face a deck w bazaars that could concievably abuse my ubas as well as me. also welder is always not fun to face.
however, uba cancels the worst part of possessed portal, and if you dont already have one in hand you cant discard it, nor titans. if I can eliminate welder w b-ring or chalice, uba is nearly a lock by itself.

[nataz]

I think pre-ring, the match-up wasnt bad, but now that UBA seems to be running a full compliment of rings, and of course has dupe MD I think the match-up could be a major pain pre-board.

[Lunar]

Awww...in many of my testing matches I just beat uba with the dragon combo....its the easiest and definatly the best pre board...

Barbarian ring just means that its harder to use our own welders...where does that leave us? well with a slew of other dudes to animate/reanimate etc etc etc...as long as the cerebral assasin player has one good threat in its opening hand then uba mask is not as effective at shutting down the game....

certainly though its harder for CA to play its threats under full uba activity...

The matchup definatly makes death spark in the MD shine though...

@ vroman....we can always use intuition and entomb to get our fat into the yard bypassing your mask...it does mean that 3 intuition/2 Thirst for Knowledge is the best arrangement in that matchup though (against stax in generally really because of Chains of Mephistopheles in the other stax decks...)

The #1 problem for CA in this matchup is that CA doesnt play a lot of permanents usually anyways, so if more than 1 early prison piece hits its usually going to be nearly impossible...

The matchup seems pretty even and almost 100% opening hand based...the major benefit of this matchup rather than regular stax builds is that vromans list doesnt seem to attack the resources that CA uses as well as other stax decks...of course uba stax doesnt really mind this since the odds of it playing against CA in a large tourney are probably 1% or less...

@ Nataz....Barbarian ring can hurt us true....however if we are at the point where uba has crucible/ring recursion going and they have threshold then we had probably lost this game a long long time ago...UBAstax basically doesnt have B-Ring active until at least turn 3 (this is with turn 1 bazaar...unless they wheel of fortune early...which can be good for Cerebral Assasin) and by this time then we hopefully already have active welder wreaking havoc on the game state...chalice for 1 before we get to go sucks for us, but you can always play into it to get welder in the yard and then animate it anyways if you really have to...