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« on: September 28, 2005, 06:08:43 am »

Hi there,

I only have one question regarding Skeletal Scryings effectivness as a card drawer in MBC.
I'm running Necro/Wil/Demonic Tutor/Consultations, in a deck full of disruption, early threats and acceleration. My finisher is mainly Nether Void which I use three copies of it.

The problem is: After casting Void Will becomes useless 95% of the time, Even before casting Void in order to maximise Will's efficiency, at least 5-6 cards must be in the grave including land and rituals.

I was wondering what is your opinion about Skeletal Scrying as a drawer. Should I perhaps replace Will for one Scrying or two?

Tutors like Demonic Tutor/Consultation are definitely better than Scrying and much cheaper and faster to use, giving you exactly the card you need the very moment you cast them, so at my opinion are not replacible with Scrying.

Only will seems like an option to me for this deck, but really guys I'm not so sure whether this a good option is and Will is one of my favorite cards ever.

What is your opinion?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2005, 07:38:16 am »

Could you post the MBC decklist so we know what we are talking about?
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2005, 09:14:06 am »

Will makes every deck running black better. Even if all you're doing off it is replaying a land and ritualing out 2 cards that's still more card advantage than you could have gotten from scrying at a comparable price.

Note that the cards aren't mutually exclusive either. It's quite easy to rfg extra lands, a second or third duress, whatever in order to draw cards yet still keep Will powerful.

A list would certainly help though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2005, 09:45:41 am »

they are indeed not mutually exclusive, but keep in mind that an early void limits a will just as well as a scrying
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2005, 10:32:50 am »

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they are indeed not mutually exclusive, but keep in mind that an early void limits a will just as well as a scrying

I think you've lost me here. I said Will needs to stay in because it's the best card ever. You responded that the reason you've considered cutting Will for Scryings is that they both get equally hosed by an early void. I detect a slight discontinuity in the discussion there.

After a Nether Void has hit, you should have effectively won. That's what a finisher does. If you're dropping it early off ritual for the sake of "I'm a Void deck so I should play it" you're going to lose. Unless you've got a clock on the table fast enough to kill them before they ramp up sufficient mana you're going to get hosed. Tinker is a 3 mana spell that makes you lose the game. Period. If you can't kill them before it gets on line you're boned.

The reason to run Will and Scrying is to get to the point to where you can drop Void for the win. Will lets you replay all your threats and wreck your opponent's hand. Scrying lets you dig into more threats and disruption. Both are pretty poor once Void is in play, but that's because it's not their purpose. Dark Ritual is a completely dead draw once Void hits as well,  but I don't suggest cutting those either.

I think this discussion has about reached it's end without seeing your actual list. It's impossible for people to tell you what to cut when we don't know what you're running. From your opening post your could be running 35 lands for all we know. Because of this, all we can respond with is theory, such as Will is a good card so run it.

In reality though, this is all beside the point. Nether Void is a terrible deck in the current format. Stax eats it alive as Mishra's Workshop lets it practically ignore Void, and CS just need to resolve a spell that costs a single {R} to win. Gifts obviously has trouble with Void, but if you manage to make it hit, you've already won anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2005, 10:56:11 am »

Hi there,

I only have one question regarding Skeletal Scryings effectivness as a card drawer in MBC.
I'm running Necro/Wil/Demonic Tutor/Consultations, in a deck full of disruption, early threats and acceleration. My finisher is mainly Nether Void which I use three copies of it.

The problem is: After casting Void Will becomes useless 95% of the time, Even before casting Void in order to maximise Will's efficiency, at least 5-6 cards must be in the grave including land and rituals.

I was wondering what is your opinion about Skeletal Scrying as a drawer. Should I perhaps replace Will for one Scrying or two?

Tutors like Demonic Tutor/Consultation are definitely better than Scrying and much cheaper and faster to use, giving you exactly the card you need the very moment you cast them, so at my opinion are not replacible with Scrying.

Only will seems like an option to me for this deck, but really guys I'm not so sure whether this a good option is and Will is one of my favorite cards ever.

What is your opinion?

Run Will, Skrying is hard with void on the table, night's whisper might be a better choice. Instead of costing 5 for 1 card, you pay 5 for 2. You lose the same  amount of life but have to generate less mana.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2005, 11:18:30 am »

Ok here's the decklist:

4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Nantuko Shade
3 Powder Keg
3 Nether Void
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultations
4 Dark Ritua
1 Sol Ringl
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
12 Swamp

Replacing any Tutor is not an option, I only consider replacing Will, cause when Void hits play it's kinda useless.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2005, 11:22:04 am »

If I were playing the deck I would cut the Planar Voids for Tormod's Crypts, and leave Yawgmoth's Will in the main deck.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2005, 12:10:58 pm »

I don't use Planar Void I run Nether Void which is the heart of the deck.

And guys WHY did you put me in the Newbie forum? I'm not a newbie, I play Magic 7 years! WTF  I'm newbie now cause I have a question of a deck you don't approve? Please put me back in the open forum.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2005, 12:17:25 pm »

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I don't use Planar Void I run Nether Void which is the heart of the deck.

And guys WHY did you put me in the Newbie forum? I'm not a newbie, I play Magic 7 years! WTF  I'm newbie now cause I have a question of a deck you don't approve? Please put me back in the open forum.

It was put in the Newbie forum, because that's where it belongs. The original post had insufficient content for the Open Forum. Your second post has no punctuation or capitalization. If you're still confused just check the forum rules, it's all in there.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2005, 12:56:12 pm »

Ok now I'm newbie and retarded too?
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2005, 01:02:56 pm »

The reasons why threads get moved are here: Rule #7: Moved Threads

You should also check out the rest of the rules, especially #6, Prohibited Topics and Actions.

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