Singers with multiple groups.

[Nightfall]

There is no such thing as good Death Metal.  The singers tend to not be able to sing.  I can grunt and scream out of tune aswell, so maybe I should form a band.

You fail to understand that it is a different skill set and that the appeal of Death Metal really isn't the same as what draws people to other types of music.  If you are expecting singing, that is why you are disappointed.  If you don't understand Death Metal for what it is about, you can't really criticize it on grounds of what it is not.  When I listen to Death Metal, I interpret the vocals as simply another instrument used to create atmosphere and convey emotion.  While the appeal of Death Metal is pretty esoteric, for people who are able to get into the genre there are definite good and bad bands.

That being said, I enjoy Black Metal a lot more than Death Metal.  But most people don't even have the ability to differentiate between the two.

[ReAnimator]

stuff about genres

It's so true. and its true of any genre really.

Saying I listen to Rock or Techno doesn't really tell someone who is informed about the genre anything.
 It does tell someone who is unfamiliar with that particular genre what sort of music you like but only in the vaguest sense.

I think Rock and Techno/dance (electronica  <--- h8 that term) are by far the most sub divided and nondescript music genre descriptions around. Pop, Punk, Rap, Jazz, Hip-hop, Indy are all close seconds.

Last week I asked a friend "what sort of music do you like"
and he said "everything but Country and gangster rap."
So I asked "do you like Johnny Cash and old Elvis?"
and he says " Of course I do"
so i say "well you know thats country music right?"
him: "....."

It is so much easier to talk about specific groups or very specific styles of music as long as there is some common ground.

If any of you are into Electronic music and have not checked out this site before it is really fun and informative. Some of his descriptions are hilarious.

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music:
www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

[mr_rogers]

There is no such thing as good Death Metal.  The singers tend to not be able to sing.  I can grunt and scream out of tune aswell, so maybe I should form a band.

You fail to understand that it is a different skill set and that the appeal of Death Metal really isn't the same as what draws people to other types of music.  If you are expecting singing, that is why you are disappointed.  If you don't understand Death Metal for what it is about, you can't really criticize it on grounds of what it is not.  When I listen to Death Metal, I interpret the vocals as simply another instrument used to create atmosphere and convey emotion.  While the appeal of Death Metal is pretty esoteric, for people who are able to get into the genre there are definite good and bad bands.

That being said, I enjoy Black Metal a lot more than Death Metal.  But most people don't even have the ability to differentiate between the two.

Well I don't fail to understand anything actually.  Maybe I shouldv'e put a j/k at the end of my post, but I was kidding.  I personally am not a fan of Death metal because I like vocals that are more dynamic.  I really like the heavy riffs and most instrumental parts of death metal, but I need the singer to do more than just grunt out the lyrics in a gruff voice.

[Bram]

You fail to understand that it is a different skill set and that the appeal of Death Metal really isn't the same as what draws people to other types of music.

Seconded. I feel the need to add that I am not a fan of the genre at all. I used to think it was just noise. Then my sister started dating a death metal drummer. I'm always interested in what other people do, and he was very open minded about what I listened to, so I decided to return the favor. He lend me a couple of death metal 'classic' CD's and I attended a few festivals in which he played. Now you can say what you like, but I've learned to appreciate it (not like it per se, but still). It is most definitelty music rather than just a lot of noise, IMO. With the good bands at least, a lot of thought (albeit somewhat awkward though) goes into arrangeing the vocals and the overall composition. The singers are by no means 'good vocalists' in the tradiational sense of the word, but that's not to say they aren't (or at least can be) talented musicians. Again: I was not 'won over' to the death metal side (I've yet to buy an album), but I have come to appreciate the difference between bad death metal (of which there is rather a lot) and good death metal. It does not 'all sound alike' if you take the time to really listen to it, and it is at least a viable and real musical subgenre.

[Nightfall]

Well I don't fail to understand anything actually.  Maybe I shouldv'e put a j/k at the end of my post, but I was kidding.  I personally am not a fan of Death metal because I like vocals that are more dynamic.  I really like the heavy riffs and most instrumental parts of death metal, but I need the singer to do more than just grunt out the lyrics in a gruff voice.

I apologize for not getting that you were joking.  I understand not liking Death Metal, it took me a long time to appreciate it.  But when I listen to Death Metal, either it has what I'm looking for or it doesn't, and the stuff that does is what I consider good.  Really this is what all music comes down to: does it have what you are looking for?  For the vast majority of people, Death Metal does not contain anything that they are seeking.  And even when it is, it takes a long time to understand the depth and complexity inherent in the music and the vocals.  There are great dynamics to Death vocals, but they are subtle and it takes an appreciation of the music first to really understand the depth the genre has as a whole.

And just going off what Bram said, all good Death bands are fine craftsmen.  The thought that goes into any good Death song is staggering.  You can never say that a good Death song just "wrote itself".

[WildWillieWonderboy]

Anything Definitive Jux.

Then there are supergroups like Audioslave, Velvet Revolver, and to a lesser extent, Transplants.

Lots of inbreeding with bands like Global Threat and the Unseen too. But they suck.

And by the way, FORUM JACKS!!!

[mr_rogers]

Mike Patton is God so deal with it.  He can do no wrong.

[everythingitouchdies]

Late jump into this thread.

I am a fan of just about any Phil Anselmo project, and fuck you before I get bashed for saying it.

Pantera (vox)
Necrophagia (guitar)
Christ Inversion (guitar)
SJR (vox)
Down (vox)

and there are quite a few more but those are my fav.

As for the long back asked question about alexi laiho, he played on an impaled nazarene album with his brother for sure, which ended up being the worst IN album ever so fans of either dont tend to recognize it.

I liked Nick Barker with COF much more than with Lock-Up (sideproject) or Dimmu (new home) but thats not exactly the same.

And all the new orleans metal bands are pretty tied together.

Mike Pattons lesser known kin is a big part of both soilent green and eyehategod.

Metal guru shuts up now.

EITD

[Bram]

Then there are supergroups like Audioslave, Velvet Revolver

Neither band is a sideproject. Both are the main groups for the partaking musicians. The fact that they're follow-ups of Soundgarden / RATM and Guns'n'Roses / Stone Temple Pilots is unimportant since none of these bands exist anymore.

[jekyll]

don't think it's been mentioned yet, but i'm pretty sure DiSalvo from Infestation barked for Cryptopsy for an album or two while Lord Worm went to work at a beer company or something. but he came back   

Cryptopsy fucking rips