Phyrexian Dreadnought and Stifle question

[Cavius The Great]

Can my opponent play Phyrexian Dreadnought then negate the come into play ability with a Stifle?

[Jacob Orlove]

No. It is neither an activated nor a triggered ability, so Stifle can't touch it.

[Cavius The Great]

I didnt think that would work. LOL, Some dude tried to pull that off on MWS on the first turn. I humbly exited the game with grace soon afterwards.

[Matt]

[card]Phyrexian Dreadnought[/card] was originally worded as a triggered ability, but the current wording:


If Phyrexian Dreadnought would come into play, sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead. If you do, put Phyrexian Dreadnought into play. If you don't, put it into its owner�s graveyard.


is a replacement ability (you can tell because it uses the "If/instead" construction). I believe they made this change to prevent [card]Pandemonium[/card] abuse.

[Khahan]

Also note, when you try to cast PD, you MUST begin sacrificing creatures until you hit total power of 12.  If you do not have 12 total power, then you sacrifice all your creatures and the spell still fizzles.

[chrissss]

I was so annoyed when I found this out when stifle came out. I thought I could make a nice combo deck with the masks, stifles etc.

I can still use eater of days though, but its not quite the same...

[Apollyon]

[card]Phyrexian Dreadnought[/card] was originally worded as a triggered ability, but the current wording:


If Phyrexian Dreadnought would come into play, sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead. If you do, put Phyrexian Dreadnought into play. If you don't, put it into its owner�s graveyard.


is a replacement ability (you can tell because it uses the "If/instead" construction). I believe they made this change to prevent [card]Pandemonium[/card] abuse.

It's templated much like every other 5th ed comes-into-play ability. The 6th ed rules change is what caused the errata, not Pandemonium, AFAIK.

[Matt]

It's templated much like every other 5th ed comes-into-play ability. The 6th ed rules change is what caused the errata, not Pandemonium, AFAIK.

Wrong. Read [card]Nekrataal[/card] or [card]Uktabi Orangutan[/card]. They're templated the exact same way, but they don't have complicated errata. The 6th ed. rules left those guys alone, but Dreadnaught has been trashed.

Under 5th ed. rules, "When this comes into play" abilities resolved immediately after the creature resolved, with no opportunity to respond. Dreadnaught still works like this, but the 6th ed. rules changed how Uktabi & Co. worked in a big way, by letting you bounce or Shelter or whatever in response. This has become so important to so many cards that people forget that it didn't always work this way. Previously, you had to choose which creature to save before the Nekrataal player decided what to kill (i.e. during the fast effects window before the Nekrataal resolved, after interrupts and damage prevention. Pre-sixth rules sucked).

Dreadnaught had its original wording intact at least into 1999, where the PandeNaught combo was the kill in the first Necropotence-fueled combo deck (invented by Adrian Sullivan, called Dread Panda Roberts). It was pretty easy to play Naught and deal 12, then Animate Dead or Reanimate for 12 more.

[chrissss]

fling was another dreadnought combo.

that rule destoyed [card]lotus vale[/card] in the same way, thats a shame.