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« on: June 07, 2006, 04:20:38 pm »

"Anti-Triggering Field"
{1} {U}
Enchantment

If a triggered ability would be triggered, instead counter that ability unless its controller pays 2.

"Even unexpected events should be planned for." -- Some group of Elders' saying.

I wanted an enchantment like Suppression Field but for triggered abilities. I figured that Blue would probably would probably have this ability with cards like Stifle and Mana Leak. This still needs a good name, and some help with flavor. I also have some doubts about the power-level, but I made it to match Suppression Field initially.

Current Wording:

Negation Field   
{2} {U} {U}
Enchantment
If an ability that's not a mana ability would be triggered, instead any player may pay {2}. If a player does, that ability triggers.

"Expect the unexpected."
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 04:37:28 pm »

"Anti-Triggering Field"
{1} {U}
Enchantment
If a triggered ability would be triggered, instead counter that ability unless its controller pays 2.
"Even unexpected events should be planned for." -- Some group of Elders' saying.
I don't think this wording makes sense.  How can an ability be countered if it hasn't yet gone on the stack?  Also, isn't this absolutely disgusting with triggered ability drawbacks like the new Karoos?  "Hmm, I'll decline to pay 2 for my Azorisu Chancery's ability.  Oh no!  I don't have to return a land to my hand!"  How about:
If a triggered ability would go on the stack, it doesn't unless any player pays 2.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2006, 04:40:14 pm »

This seems fair. I was only really thinking about Replicate/Storm and some other abilities here. I completely forgot about the Karoos. Wow, that would probably be good enough to splash blue for then. Changed.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 06:38:17 am »

How about:

Negation Field  {2} {U} {U}
Enchantment
If a triggered ability from a nonland permanent other than Negation Field would go on the stack, counter that ability unless its controller pays  {2}.

"Expect the unexpected."
- Leader of the *insert name of reace here* scout traing party.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2006, 09:13:36 am »

How about:

Negation Field  {2} {U} {U}
Enchantment
If a triggered ability from a nonland permanent other than Negation Field would go on the stack, counter that ability unless its controller pays  {2}.

"Expect the unexpected."
- Leader of the *insert name of reace here* scout traing party.

I like this a lot, although the flavor reminds me of something white from Mirage block for some reason. I'm not sure how much more powerful this is than Suppression Field and thus I don't know where the mana cost is fair. It seems that blue enchantments default to {2} {U} {U} quite a bit though. Maybe that simply a fair cost to avoid splashing.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2006, 10:08:29 pm »

You have it worded as a replacement effect, but instead, with the countering thing, you can just word it closer to Chalice of the Void.  I would say use:

Whenever an ability of a card other than ~this~ triggers, counter that ability unless its controller pays 2.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 10:00:21 am »

This + Copy Enchantment + any triggered ability = drawn game.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/rb2

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I think this needs to be fixed.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2006, 10:28:32 am »

That's easy enough to fix:

"Whenever an ability of a card not named Negation Field triggers, counter that ability unless its controller pays {2}."
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2006, 12:11:27 pm »

Oh, looking at the original, do you want it to counter only permanents or any kind of triggers (like, cycling a decree causes a trigger, for instance) ?
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2006, 04:24:11 pm »

Oh, looking at the original, do you want it to counter only permanents or any kind of triggers (like, cycling a decree causes a trigger, for instance) ?

Ideally, I'd like to counter stuff like storm and cycling triggers. I don't know how to word that though. The nonland thing is a lot worse than blanket countering of stuff, but blanket countering of stuff would lead to interactions with cards where the negative trigger was designed as a drawback. This card may simply not be able to take the form that I'd like it to.

What if this card were to cost 5 or 6 and counter all triggered abilities that aren't triggered by a card called Negation Field? My original wording also fixes this issue by replacing the triggering. Maybe something like this:

"If an ability would be triggered, instead any player may pay {2} . If a player does the ability is not triggered. If {2} was not paid, the trigger the ability."

What would something like this cost?
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2006, 08:57:37 am »

I'm not too worried about getting around drawbacks. Stifle and Voidslime already do that. A casting cost around {2} {U} {U} should be correct. It also needs to make an exception for mana abilities.

If an ability that's not a mana ability would be triggered, instead any player may pay {2}. If a player does, that ability triggers.

Whenever an ability of a card not named ~this~ triggers, counter it unless its controller pays {2}. Mana abilities can't be countered.

Imagine all the Phage questions if this were released. People love the Untouchable.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2006, 08:40:08 am »

I'm not too worried about getting around drawbacks. Stifle and Voidslime already do that. A casting cost around {2} {U} {U} should be correct. It also needs to make an exception for mana abilities.

If an ability that's not a mana ability would be triggered, instead any player may pay {2}. If a player does, that ability triggers.

Whenever an ability of a card not named ~this~ triggers, counter it unless its controller pays {2}. Mana abilities can't be countered.

Imagine all the Phage questions if this were released. People love the Untouchable.

I think this wording is the best so far.  However, I have a sneaking suspicion that this could be U/W and not have any questions asked; U hates things beyond its control, and W like to keep things in a nice, neat order.
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