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« on: September 10, 2006, 01:26:51 am »

I'd like to congratulate Illissius as the winner of 3CB Tournament #85! After the call for more entries, we got a reasonable turnout, with the Tabernacles and Powder Kegs out in force. Some decks were able to handle that, and some weren't, but in the end, an untargettable monster was too much for most decks, particularly with the permanent mana source to get around Tabernacle.

Banned list:

[card]Form of the Dragon[/card]
[card]Mesmeric Fiend[/card]
[card]Nezumi Shortfang[/card]
[card]Blackmail[/card]
[card]Ghost Quarter[/card]
[card]Cabal Therapy[/card]
[card]Abandon Hope[/card]
[card]Nullstone Gargoyle[/card]
[card]Coercion[/card]
[card]Strip Mine[/card]
[card]Wasteland[/card]
[card]The Rack[/card]
[card]Balance[/card]
[card]Meddling Mage[/card]
[card]Pulse of the Dross[/card]
[card]Leonin Squire[/card]
[card]Show and Tell[/card]
[card]Misguided Rage[/card]
[card]Abandon Hope[/card]
[card]Glacial Chasm[/card]
[card]Pox[/card]
[card]Mind Swords[/card] <-- New addition!
All cards banned/not legal in Vintage (including Unglued and Unhinged)
Any deck that can force the discard of more than one card per turn
Any deck that can goldfish on turn 1
Any deck that can't win if the opposition does nothing e.g. Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Wheel of Torture (aka The Mise Prize, given out to decks that score lots of 2-2 draws)

Decks:

1   Cross   -   Fallen Empires   -   Scrubland   Icatian Javelineers   Duress
2   Franz Ferdinand   -   Ask me about my grandchildren   -   Black Lotus   Honden of Infinite Rage   The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
3   combo_dude   -   Last Man Standing   -   City of Traitors   Soldevi Sentry   Powder Keg
4   TheBrassMan   -   New England Magic   -   Black Lotus   Brassman   Atog
5   The Atog Lord   -   Brassman's Dartmouth Party   -   Mishra's Workshop   Powder Keg   Steel Golem
6   Naphtali   -   Quiet Guy   -   Black Lotus   Treasure Hunter   Aura of Silence
7   Godder   -   Down on the Swamp   -   Bayou   Thallid   Duress
8   ScutaKicker   -   Snakes on a Plane!   -   Black Lotus   Channel   Snake Basket
9   Parallax   -   UW Fish   -   Karakas   Isamaru, Hound of Konda   Leyline of Singularity
10   ReAnimator   -   <3Sphere   -   Mishra's Workshop   Trinisphere   Steel Golem
11   Cross   -   Bridge Combo   -   Mishra's Workshop   Ensnaring Bridge   Barbed Wire
12   Illissius   -   Into The North   -   Black Lotus   City of Traitors   Kodama of the North Tree
13   Franz Ferdinand   -   Wait, this ISN'T banned?   -   Black Lotus   Nether Spirit   Anvil of Bogardan
14   ReAnimator   -   Half a Brick of Kung Fu   -   Hickory Woodlot   Naturalize   Tempting Wurm
15   Illissius   -   Shackles   -   Black Lotus   Dust Bowl   Preacher
16   ScutaKicker   -   Cathedral of the Pines   -   Treetop Village   Eladamri's Vineyard   The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
17   Parallax   -   Mono-Black Control   -   Bottomless Vault   Evil Presence   Visara the Dreadful
18   BweeBwee   -   TET   -   Treetop Village   Eladamri's Vineyard   The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
19   BweeBwee   -   Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3, testing...   -   Treetop Village   Eladamri's Vineyard   Powder Keg

Results:

      1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9    Total  Position
1|   X   3   1   3   0   4   6   3   0   6   4   3   3   0   3   6   0   6   6   57   6
2|   3   X   6   6   6   3   3   6   0   4   6   0   4   2   6   0   0   0   0   55   8
3|   4   0   X   2   2   1   3   6   2   1   6   0   2   2   6   6   6   6   6   61   3
4|   3   0   2   X   0   0   3   0   0   0   0   0   2   0   2   0   0   0   0   12   19
5|   3   0   2   6   X   1   6   6   2   2   6   3   2   0   2   0   6   0   6   53   9
6|   1   3   4   6   4   X   0   3   1   3   4   0   3   0   0   2   0   2   6   42   17
7|   0   3   3   3   0   6   X   3   0   0   4   3   6   0   0   6   0   6   6   49   14
8|   3   0   0   6   0   3   3   X   0   3   0   6   3   6   6   0   6   0   3   48   15
9|   6   6   2   6   2   4   6   6   X   4   0   0   4   6   6   0   0   0   0   58   4
0|   6   1   4   6   2   3   6   3   1   X   0   3   4   6   3   2   0   2   6   58   4
1|   1   0   0   6   0   1   1   6   6   6   X   6   2   0   3   6   6   6   0   56   7
2|   3   6   6   6   3   6   3   0   6   3   0   X   3   2   6   3   6   3   6   71   1
3|   3   1   2   2   2   3   0   3   1   1   2   3   X   4   0   3   6   3   3   42   17
4|   6   2   2   6   6   6   6   0   0   0   6   2   1   X   0   2   0   2   6   53   9
5|   3   0   0   2   2   6   6   0   0   3   3   0   6   6   X   6   2   6   2   53   9
6|   0   6   6   6   6   2   0   6   6   2   0   3   3   2   0   X   0   2   0   50   12
7|   6   6   0   6   0   6   6   0   6   6   0   0   0   6   2   6   X   6   6   68   2
8|   0   6   6   6   6   2   0   6   6   2   0   3   3   2   0   2   0   X   0   50   12
9|   0   6   0   6   0   0   0   3   6   0   6   0   3   0   2   6   0   6   X   44   16

Large numbers of Lotus decks once again this week, but that's not a problem. With 19 decks, 54 points would be "average" (18 opponents x 3 points). There were a lot of decks within 12 points of that, suggesting that this tournament was very close! Powder Keg and Tabernacle were everywhere, ensuring that token decks wouldn't do much damage. Duress and Trinisphere continue to be good among the sea of Lotus decks, being a guaranteed 3 points against them, and more against some decks. My apologies for the delay, but preparations for my wedding meant calculating results had to take a back seat (see below).

For next week: Same Again!

Banned list:

[card]Form of the Dragon[/card]
[card]Mesmeric Fiend[/card]
[card]Nezumi Shortfang[/card]
[card]Blackmail[/card]
[card]Ghost Quarter[/card]
[card]Cabal Therapy[/card]
[card]Abandon Hope[/card]
[card]Nullstone Gargoyle[/card]
[card]Coercion[/card]
[card]Strip Mine[/card]
[card]Wasteland[/card]
[card]The Rack[/card]
[card]Balance[/card]
[card]Meddling Mage[/card]
[card]Pulse of the Dross[/card]
[card]Leonin Squire[/card]
[card]Show and Tell[/card]
[card]Misguided Rage[/card]
[card]Abandon Hope[/card]
[card]Glacial Chasm[/card]
[card]Pox[/card]
[card]Mind Swords[/card]
All cards banned/not legal in Vintage (including Unglued and Unhinged)
Any deck that can force the discard of more than one card per turn
Any deck that can goldfish on turn 1
Any deck that can't win if the opposition does nothing e.g. Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Wheel of Torture (aka The Mise Prize, given out to decks that score lots of 2-2 draws)

3-Card Blind (3CB) is a very unique game. With thanks to Zoneseek, the rules are as follows:

  • Your deck comprises 3 cards, all of which start in your hand.
  • The library starts at 0 cards and you have no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
  • Random effects always go in your opponent's favour.
  • All hands are revealed, so you always make the best possible play.
  • You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. If cards are put into your library, you draw normally.
  • Other than the aforementioned, normal Magic rules apply.
  • Decks are played against each other deck twice by the Moderator, once going first, once going second. For each win, you score 3. For each draw, you score 1. For each loss, you score 0.
  • While it may seem obvious, decks may not use cards from the 3CB Banned List. Illegal decks will be rejected, and illegal cards will be replaced by basic land cards.

To make an entry, PM your deck to Godder in the following format:

Subject: 3cb Tournament #86 Entry or 3cb Tournament#86 Revision
Deck Name
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3

Optional Deck discussion, random sucking up, etc.

Entries close September 18. Players may enter only one deck this time around. My apologies for restricting the tournament this week, but I'm getting married on September 23 and we're going on our honeymoon for 10 days after that. This way, we still get a tournament, and I lighten my workload, thus allowing for the wedding preparations Smile.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 03:55:50 pm »

Congrats on the wedding.

And... finally, I win one of these. Woohoo. Smile
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 05:33:49 pm »

#1:
vs. #10 is 0-6, not 6-0. #1 cannot outrace Steel Golem in any way whatsoever.

#2:
vs. #6 is 2-2, not 3-3. On the play, I drop Honden and Tabernacle. He plays Hunter and then plays Aura of Silence, destroying my Honden, but he cannot pay for Hunter's Tabernacle, resulting in a draw. On the draw, the same happens, except I can't play Honden.

#3:
vs. #6 is 0-6, not 1-4. On the draw, he loses. On the play, no matter what he plays, #6 goes Hunter-Aura and destroys it.

#4:
vs. #7 is 0-6, not 3-3. Thallid can race Atog with spore counters, since Brassman can only attack once.

#5:
vs. #6 is 0-6, not 1-4. See #3 vs. #6. You seem to keep forgetting Aura's second ability.
vs. #11 is 2-2, not 6-0. If he pops Powder Keg for 3, it will kill Golem, too. Unless Golem is already in play, #11 won't play Bridge.
vs. #12 is 0-6, not 3-3. Powder Keg can't ever race Kodama North.
vs. #16/#18 is 2-2, not 0-6. He can pop a Powder Keg for 1, killing Vineyard and forcing a draw.

#6:
vs. #11 is 6-0, not 4-1. See vs. #3, #5, etc. Aura kills Bridge.
vs. #15 is 3-3, not 0-6. On the play, #6 drops Aura and Lotus can't be played.

#7:
vs. #15 is 3-3, not 0-6. On the play, he Duresses Lotus out and wins.

#10:
vs. #17 is 3-3, not 0-6. The formula for the first turn you can play this is CMC+2. Visara takes 8 turns to come out. #10 wins on turn 8.

#11:
vs. #15 is 1-4, not 3-3. On the play, he always drops Bridge first. If he plays Barbed Wire, then #15 just keeps his Lotus + Dust Bowl ready to prevent two. However, if #15 plays Preacher, he will not have the mana to prevent, so it is a draw. On the draw, #15 drops Preacher turn 1, and a turn 1 Bridge will not stop it from doing 1 damage.

#15:
vs. #17 is 6-0, not 2-2. When #17 plays Visara, he just takes it. Simple.

#16/#18:
vs. #17 is 3-3, not 0-6. On the play, it can outrace #17 with mana burn, since it hits once with Village.

#17:
vs. #19 is 0-6, not 6-0. Keg can blow up the Presence, #19 wins the damage race.

I think most of these are correct.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 05:56:33 pm »

#3 vs #6

City of Traitors, Powder Keg.
Lotus Hunter Aura
Ramp Keg to 3 and blow it up. If Aura destroys Keg before that, play Soldevi Sentry. Block and Regenerate twice till Kingdom Come.

Keg doesn't kill enchantments, including Presence, Vineyard or anything else. Some of the matches were difficult, and required me to use paper to calculate them turn by turn with tracking life totals.

Barbed Wire's ability can only be played by its controller (it doesn't say 'any player may play this ability').

#10 vs #17 - play Evil Presence on Village, turning it into a Swamp. Then both players mana burn for a while, and Visara wins the race when going first.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 06:23:04 pm »

#6 vs #12
Current 0-6
Suggested 3-3

On the play I drop everything. (Lotus, Hunter, Aura)
They play COT so they can play lotus.
Whenever Lotus hits the table I can destroy it with Aura whilst COT is tapped, so they can't play Kodama.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 12:01:23 am »

Apparently my post here was lost...

My apologies for any mistakes in the results, but with my impending nuptials, I only have time for one set of calculations, and would prefer to spend it doing the current tournament. Obviously, I hope to do better this time around!

As a side note, I receive all PMs by email, so I do have all the decklists people have sent me, despite losing my most recent messages. Additionally, I have received a decklist with a banned card in it (Form of the Dragon). The submitter has not long to fix it, or I will replace his deck with a submission from the last 3CB. Edit: fixed.
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