fast long a new Bg tendrils deck.

[memnarch]

so i started testing diffrent tendrils decks but they were all scary to combo off somtimes becuase i wasnt sure if i could make it. alot of times i needed one more mana or somthing. this deck has i mini combo in it while your going off to ensure your succes. it isnt somthing to aim for but you usualy draw into one or two of the cards. if you draw into 2 its definitly worth tutoring for the 3rd. im sure you guys have herd of it before. zuran orb + fastbond + crucible of worlds = infanite life and mana. even if your not set up for the kill, just gaining infinate life will hinder anyones chances expept mabie bombermen or some other infinate kill deck. if you have that combo with yawgmoths bargen in play there is pretty much no way you cant win. why did i go with green you ask instead of blue. well thats a good question. having blue gives me force of will but that means i have to run LOTS of blue cards. i wanted to make the combo more consistant and i was sick of getting my duels wastlanded, its bad enough they can stiffle the sac lands. also green gives me acces to elvish spirit guide (i know it dosnt count to spell count but its still a great mana hook up). so when im comboing off drawing tons of cards and losing tons of life, i know i will have a mana hook up. i like the fastbond combo because getting the cards by themselves is great tooexept for crucible mabie. zuron orb is always welcome, i know its suicide black but i dont want to kill myself before the combo goes off. more life=more cardsa and fastbond is good for obvius reasosns. i was using hymn to torach as a discard along with duress but found that cabal theropy worked better. i usaly go for force of will turn 1 with those and check there hand. also having somthing for 1 is great if you need to up your spell count a bit. the way i usaly end up playing unless i get yawgmoths bargen or tons of rituals and tendrils in my first hand is tutor for necropotence and go from there.

discard
4X duress
4X cabal therapy

tutor
1X demonic tutor
4X grim tutor
1X vampiric tutor
1X Imperial Seal

win condition
4X tendrils of agony

draw / graveyard
1X necropotence
1X yawgmoths bargen
1X yawgmoths will
1X regrowth

secret tech
1X crucible of worlds
1X fastbond
1X zuran orb

mana
4X elvish spirit guide
4X dark ritual
4X cabal ritual
1X mox saphire
1X mox emrald
1X mox pearl
1X mox jet
1X mox rubie
1X black lotus
1X lotus petal
1X sol ring
1X bayou
9X swamp
4X polluted delta

[chrissss]

I dont have much experience with tendrils decks, but 34 mana sources does seem a lot to me, or is that jsut a though. some grim long decks run like 2-3 lands with the rituals, artifact mana etc.

Do you ever have opening hands with just mana? Doesnt that increase your % of muligains for this deck?


one more thing, one meddling mage saying " tendrils of agony" means you lose the game, or a children of korlis for example. no wish means you would lose to a creature like that.

[President Skroob]

4 Tendrils of Agony seems like a lot. I'd test out fewer copies and see exactly how many you need. Running 4 Grim Tutors should make 2 or even 1 enough, I would think.

[InfinityCircuit]

It seems that 4 Cabal Therapy is not the ideal setup for disruption in this deck.  The only time you can really use the flashback is when you've already created your combo, and by that point it shouldn't matter anymore.  I think a better candidate for inclusion would be either Unmask or some kind of graveyard hate like Leyline of the Void or Tormod's Crypt.

Another option is to move the Xantid Swarms I assume you have in your sideboard to the main.

I believe 9 swamps to be way too many.  Traditionally Long has needed 12 lands at the most, and you have fourteen without Academy.

[NaNaKy3k]

with 4 tendrils not running demonic consultation seems suboptimal

[ErkBek]

I think you are really overlooking the power of Brainstorm in storm combo. Brainstorm really adds consistancy by smoothing out draws. Also Ancestral Recall is also a solid tutor target.

I also see no reason to play the crucible, fastbond, orb combo that's just not good. If you are running BG though, you really should consider maindeck Xantids and/or night's whipser.

[Khahan]

Another option is to move the Xantid Swarms I assume you have in your sideboard to the main.

I was just thinking this same thing. I could only assume your xantids are s/b.

[memnarch]

thanks for sugestions guys. i like 4 tendrils and tons of land it works fine becuase im usaly trying to get yawgmoths bargen into play wich is very expensive. i usaly dont have to much mana for what im trying to do. once i got a hand that was 2 dark rituals 2 cabal rituals 2 tendrils lotus petal and i top decked swamp ftw. so i like having lots of tendrils somtimes if im running out of life ill use it or ill use it and get part way there then regrowth it and play it again. your right about creature destruction 1 maindeck smother does the job of taking care of peskey medeling mages and true belivers. i was thinking of puttintg the Xantids in maindeck so i guess take out the cabal ritual for them? i really like the orb and fastbond just by themselves in this deck there really good i swear the only card the could be dead in that combo is crucible but with all the strip mines and wastelands running around even that can come in handy. i went with this Bg vaient becuase i like vintage but all the decks i played i kept getting mana skrewed in. i know vintage is fast but i like having a solid mana base and this deck needs tons of black.

[chrissss]

I know creature removal is annnoying to have in a combo deck, but with Children of korlis being a fantastic 1 drop for Fish, and meddling mages, I would choose something like massacre to take care of the creatures.
Children of korlis means that winning can become a real mission; and if he has 2 in play, your tendrils can almost double his life total. Thats why one smother wont do enough.

just a suggestion, but what about adding a living wish, or a pernicious deed, you can handle the colors, and they might giv you more solutions to many problems.

[memnarch]

whoa massacre is sweet thanks for the hot tip. i was looking for some good T1 mass removal that would be great when im drawing tons of cards. fish is definatly a deck i think about when thinking about disruption and utitlity to put into my deck.