Wish Board Help for Gifts

[Harlequin]

I'm looking at doing some play testing with Burning Wish in Gifts.  Essentially taking the Deck Brassman won with at the most recent Myriad games tournement and adding Burning wish as the 61st card.  No real reason, other than just testing it out.  (and as a base to test against).

Now, I have never built a burning wish board, so I am having trouble deciding what I should Include.  So rather than get into too much about actual deck statistics... I wanted to talk about "Good Sorceries" in general.  Right now here is what I'm working with.

Normal Gifts mana base: Heavy artifact, with and availbile. 
Maindeck answers:
4 Repeal
1 Lavadart
1 Rebuild

Maindeck Sorceries:
Vamp, Mystical, DT, Timewalk, Will, Burning wish, Recoup, Timetwister.
* Edit - and Tendrils    >_<

Sideboard Sorceries Already:
2 Duress
3 Empty the Warren

Other stuff:
1 Lava dart
2 Rebs
2 Needles
1 Trickbind

4 to 5 spots open on the Wish Board:
1) small creature removal - Massecur or Pyroclasm or ??
2) Sorcery speed bounce - not sure what my best option is... Turbulent Dreams?  One with Nothing??
3) Sorcery Speed Draw - Wheel? Deep Analysis? Ideas Unbound ??
4) Artifact destruction - Shattering Spree? Echoing Ruin?
5) GY hate? A Tutor (like Imperial seal)? possibly something else? I could cut from the standar SB to make room if needed.

What are some good Sorcery Options for a Wish Board?

[meadbert]

Probably a token Tendrils of Agony would be good in the Sideboard.  My most common Burning Wish targets are:
1. Tendrils
2. Time Walk
3. Yawgmoth's Will

In my opinion the best reason to run Burning Wish is that it allows you to play an early Will.  It is pretty common to Scroll up Ancestral and play it and then win a counter war over an opponents threat  but only have Will in your hand.  Replaying Will, to play Ancestral, Brainstorm, Fetchland or Ancestral, Fetchland, Merchant Scroll is a HUGE tempo boost.  This is much riskier if you do not have a Burning Wish to replay Will.

[zeus-online]

1) small creature removal
I used to go with a 2/1 split between the two - you are probably gonna run some of them even if you have no wish anyway.
2) Sorcery speed bounce
I used Eye of nowhere, but i found that i didn't need it, so i ended up using the spot for something else....
3) Sorcery Speed Draw
Deep analysis can be really awesome sometimes...you know...like gaming winningly good
4) Artifact destruction
If you run the bounce spell, then i wouldn't bother, otherwise i think i'd go with echoing ruin.
5) GY hate? A Tutor (like Imperial seal)? possibly something else?
Erh, don't use up all the space, you still need regular SB material...also try adding some duress's to the SB.

/Zeus

[Harlequin]

Right now I have Tendrils on the main, and I have 3 Empty the warrens in the board

I too feel like I should drop the bounce.  I kinda like Shattering Spree... It seems like a good out against Null Rod because it only costs 1 mana to answer stuff.  Even at Double Red its as good (if not slightly better) then someting like RnR (which I couldn't get anyway).  I even considered somethig of a "Stax Reset Button" like Pulverize... but that seems kind stupid. 

As for Duress, I already run 2 in the board, and it IS a common card to get with B.Wish, but I woudn't count it as a Wish Board Slot.

[zeus-online]

No, but the best wish cards are those you'd like to play even if you had no wish
I recommend the DA though, it really can win games sometimes.

/Zeus

[wtp.]

It's always good to have some creature removal post board because game one you are able to Wish it in, and game two you can just side it in. Some obvious ones are Massacre and Pyroclasm because they allow you to take out Meddling Mage and other critters if necessary.

You've already got the backup win condition covered (Empty the Warrens), which is tech versus Fish when they name Tendrils on their Mages and you mini-storm in 10 Gobos.

I think this is a great idea because it allows the deck to be much more versatile by exchanging one maindeck slot with any of up to fifteen SBed Sorceries, all available whenever you need via Burning Wish.

/wethepeople.

[Hi-Val]

I would run Rolling Earthquake and either Deep Analysis or Mind Twist, based on if you think you'll see more Gifts or CS. You could even slot Braingeyser into there if you really wanted. Beyond 2-3 wish targets though, I think the board is just too compromised. You want one or two answers and something to spend Burning Wish on when you topdeck it and need business.

I've never Wished for a Tendrils on my board, btw.

[meadbert]

This is probably because you do not have a Tendrils in your board because you play it maindeck.  The original post listed the sorceries in the deck and Tendrils was not one of them I was assuming that there is no Tendrils in the main deck.  If that is the case then there should be one in the sideboard.

[Harlequin]

Sorry, I must have missed it when I was typing out the list.  I do infact run a Tendrils inthe Main.  I added it to the orginal post.

Sorry for the confusion.

[LotusHead]

What are some good Sorcery Options for a Wish Board?

Damnation 2BB
Sorcery
Destroy all critters but DSC. They cant be regenerated.

[zeus-online]

What are some good Sorcery Options for a Wish Board?

Damnation 2BB
Sorcery
Destroy all critters but DSC. They cant be regenerated.

You can't be serious....paying 3RBB to kill some critters will probably never be good enough in type 1...Heck i'd almost rather have balance in the board, eventhough there's probably only 3 sources of white mana in the deck (Pearl, petal and lotus)

/Zeus

Edit: Oh yeah, I do remember a game where i wish'ed for balance, played tinker, got lotus, sacced lotus for WWW and balanced away 2 welders and 2 titans....good times    .... wasn't with gifts though.

[BreathWeapon]

The best Wish targets are SB cards that can be SBed in against specific match ups, Tendrils of Agony and Empty the Warrens, Mind Twist* and Duress, Massacre and Rolling Earthquake and Pyroclasm, Shattering Spree etc. all "slot in" to various categories depending on the match up. The exceptions to the rule are cards like Mind Twist and Deep Analysis, because both of them are just so strong in the control mirror. Another possible exception is Timetwister, which can be used for the Draw7 effect or the GY removal effect or both, speaking of which, I think the Timetwister in the MD should be replaced with Memory Jar, because then the deck can Tinker for it, and Memory Jar is less symmetrical.

[zeus-online]

Urh, but who plays with timetwister in gifts?....I'd rather just be casting an EOT gifts instead of a sorcery Draw7.

/Zeus

[Harlequin]

As far as time twister goes .. I just basically stole Brassman's deck from the last myriad.  So It was in there.  I added Burning wish as the 61st card, and now I am trying to adjust the sideboard accordingly. 

If I'm going to run Timetwister on the main, should would Wheel be an option in the board?

[nataz]

Time Twister is nice when trying to build stom (etw ftw), and also for resetting an ichorid gy/hand. It's hardly useless, and can be pretty good.