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Tragedy
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« on: March 07, 2007, 05:01:58 pm »

Ok ill start with the deck

Combo(4):
4 Empty the warrens

Acceleration(11):
4 Simian spirit guide
4 rite of flame
3 Seething song

Draw/tutor(9):
1 Wheel of fortune
4 Gamble
4 Winds of change

Control/ tech(13):
2 lightning bolt
3 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental blast
3 Telim tor's edict
3 Overmaster

Mana(23):
17 Mountains
1 Lotus petal
1 Mox diamond
1 Mox jet*
1 Mox emmerald*
1 Mox ruby*
1 Black lotus*

The basic jist of this deck is to make mana and build up storm to get a decent sized empty the warrens. I use cards like pyroblast and telim tor's edict to protect my spells. The main problem with the deck is mana and draw. Some of you may not be familiar with the cards i use so i will post below what they do. I dont want this list to be super tier or anything, just so that a can go near 50/50 with my local casual playgroup (The decks are dragon, oath, elves, goblins, affinity, and ichorid). We are allowed up to 5 proxies.

Gamble (R)
sorcery
Search your library for a card and put it into your hand. Then discard a card at random from your hand.

Telim tor's edict (R)
Instant
Remove target permanent you control from the game.

Draw a card at the beginning of the next upkeep.

This is my super duper tech against Echoing truth.

Overmaster (R)
sorcery
The next instant or sorcery spell you play this turn cant be countered.

Draw a card

I use this to make sure my important spells pass

Winds of change (R)
sorcery
Each player shuffles their hand into their library and draws that amount of cards.

Super tech against ichorid, also its a decent draw.

Any thoughts
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 05:33:44 pm »

I think a mana crypt would be better than an off colour mox as far as a proxy goes. Chrome mox also looks good here.

And is Skirk Prospector just straight up better than telim tor's edict?, It's +1 storm for no mana or it can accelerate you after dropping it turn 1 vs non blue players, It can also combo with warrens if you draw two to bust out huge amounts of warrens.

This looks like a blast to play, hope this helps.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 10:38:57 am »

12 Mountains
4 Barbarian Ring

1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Ruby *
1 Black Lotus *
1 Mana crypt *
3 Lockets of yesterday

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rights of Flame
4 Seathing Song
--- 36

4 Empty the Warren
3 Recoup

1 Wheel of fortune
4 Gamble
4 Goblin Lore
2 Winds of change (or "other goblin lore")


-- 14 - 50
4 Skirk Prospector
2 Call to the Netherworld
3 Overmaster
2 Lava Dart

-- 61--

A card you should look at is Goblin Lore.  There is also another card that does exactly the same thing (draw 4 discard 3 at random) for the same cost.  But I can't think of the name of it off hand.  I think thats a better choice than Winds of Change.  Both Gamble and Goblin Lore keep your hand the same size where winds of change causes you to loose hand size.  If you going with alot of discard effects then Call to the Nutherworld is a great way to build FREE storm -and- go up in hand size (for the next random ability).  Lastly if you go with this draw and discard at random plan - by running goblin lore, "other goblin lore", Gamble, and/or Winds... then that opens up some really interesting choices:

- Lockets of Yesterday.  Really nice along with Seathing Song, and Goblin Lore. (and recoup - see below).  Doesn't help your opponent like Helm of awakening does.

- Recoup.  This is huge for you.  It gives you the ability to win out of your yard completely.  It costs some mana to do it, but you have Lockets bring down the cost.  Also recoup will generate more storm and mana if you just decide to hit Seathing Songs.  Or more cards by hitting a goblin lore.  Also works well with Skirk Prospector - if you ETW for 6-8 you can eat all those guys and Flashback the ETW you just cast for +2 storm on the re-cast.  which will net +4 goblins.

- Call of the Netherwind.  This card is amazing at generating BOTH free storm and free handsize.  The object is to try and get a SSG or Skirk prospector in the yard, then hope that Lore or Gamble hits this card.  THat way you can increase your hand size for the next random effect, or play a skirk for storm, or go up in mana with SSG.

- Lava Dart.  Again, a card that you want to discard with your random effects because its free storm + creature removal.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 01:52:50 pm »

First off thanks for the replies. I completely agree with Reanimator, but not so much with Harlequin.

Call of the netherworld doesnt work the way you think. Its only for black creatures.

Goblin lore is not equal to gamble. Gamble chooses any card in your deck as goblin lore pulls 4 random cards. Also goblin lore makes you discard three random which will often cripple your gameplan.

I run to many 1 cost spells for locket of yesterdays to be effective.

Recoup costs to much.

Thanks to reanimator though. I realy like skirk prospector because it can be free and you can reuse it to protect your goblins or sac it in response to counter a spell with a blast. Also mana crypt seems to be always better then a mox of a color i dont use. Here is what i did.

-3 Telim tor's edict
-1 Mox jet

+3 Skirk prospector
+1 mana crypt
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2007, 02:39:15 pm »

It seems you want a skirk prospecter every game, seeing as how that is one of your only free spells. I would try taking out a overmaster for 1 skirk prospecter.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 02:36:14 pm »

It seems you want a skirk prospecter every game, seeing as how that is one of your only free spells. I would try taking out a overmaster for 1 skirk prospecter.

The extra prospecter works realy well thx.

I realy like how the deck has shaped up, it can now consistantly go off turn 1 yet it still loses so the people i play with wont get mad
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 06:04:33 pm »

If you still have proxy space left, you might want to try 1-2 Bazaar of Baghdad to help you with your draw engine.
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