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« on: March 14, 2007, 11:43:29 pm »

Good Day Very Happy

We will be having a 15 Proxy tournament with no sideboard.
Single Elimination. Once your out, your out.
My meta prediction are the following.

3 Combo (Mostly Grimlong)
4 Fish (Any Variant but i m sure there will be Null Rod and Chalice Main)
2 Stock (Mud Usually)
3 Oath (The Usual Built)
2 Gifts (ETW,TOA, Tinker Collosus win)
2 Suprise Deck

And I would like to ask the community.
About what deck should i play with a meta like this.
Please give me a deck list not just Name of a deck.
And please give me your reason why you put such card in the deck.
I m sure they'll be packing a lot of hate in the main.

I cant play any combo deck since i m not talented in the area.

Thank you in advance.

Please forgive my grammar if its incorrect. Sad
Mod pls feel free to move my post if its in the wrong thread. Thank you  Very Happy
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 12:56:37 am »

Meandeck tendrils. Without sideboards this deck is ridiculous... If you learn how to play it. I practiced goldfishing this deck for a week and took it to one tourney and top-8'd. My friend loved it, so he tried it the next tournament. He top 8'd. The deck catches so many people off-guard, and without nasty sideboard cards you can easily win an entire match in like 3-4 turns total.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 02:45:00 am »

My vote (biased of course) is to run Fish.

If you already have a good Idea of what your up against, running a "hate"deck makes sense to me for a few reasons.

1) Fish already has soo many options that you can esentially have an even keel against game 1 of every game.
2)Fish is soo adaptable that you can hate out many decks with the same cards: Gifts has to resolve Gifts and Combo needs Will and both of which you can hate out.  Aside from that you need to hate out or counter the storm card used.  You don't seem to think Stax in the meta so you can further narrow your hate needs accordingly.
3) if you run Fish you are concerned with the mirror, but thats what x3 or more Jitte is for.  Beyond that you know what you need to play and almost thusly what they need to play.

After that, the idea I have is thus:  If you run Fish and expect Fish to show up, you'll have to prepare for Fish in the mirror the most.  Read up on the Fish builds and meta against what you feel is most likely to come against you, and of course hate them out.  I think that U/B and U/R would cause you the most problems because of R blasts and B Duress, so take that into consideration.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 07:01:20 am »

Ichorid is a fiend without sideboards, especially manaless since there is no need to have mana for sideboard cards. It's pretty easy to play it well too, something that really matters in single elim.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2007, 08:28:04 am »

Meandeck Tendrils loses to a lot of Maindeck cards also, plus he clearly stated he didn't want to play combo, although I'd totally run it on sheer brokenness.

I'd go with Ichorid. It's ridiculous without board. You only have to play around Tormod's Crypt in a few match-ups, and everything else just rolls over.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 09:50:54 am »

Manaless Ichorid would be a house if there are no sideboards!
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 10:59:36 am »

I agree.  There's just no way that much of anything up there can beat Manaless Ichorid sans board.  However, make sure to include some hate for combo; perhaps you could run more than 12 pieces of disruption.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2007, 12:32:30 pm »

Sticking extra disruption into manaless ichorid is a very bad idea. The deck wins unsideboarded games with ease. Adding disruption makes you slower and you will lose more often because of it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 12:33:11 pm »

I agree 100% with Manaless Ichorid.  There is a very very small chance that someone will maindeck Leyline, and preboard this deck should win every time.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 12:34:42 pm »

Just run the normal disruption sweet of:
4 Chalice
4 Leyline
4 Unmask
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Strip Mine

Also, run 4 Petrified Field because most preboard losses are to wasteland.

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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 12:40:00 pm »

It depends on how much others are prepairing to play un-sided.  You may run into a higher number of decks running maindeck needle, tormods, or even ensnaring bridge.  If everyone knows the tourney is un-sided, then I would suggest that you play "mana-lite" ichorid.  Run 4 Fields, 4 Bayou.  and spash in Ancient Grudge.  Also run Ashen Ghoul to give you a more solid non-DR win.

The other problem with ichorid (esp manaless) is that the tourney is single elim.  And Ichorid can randomly loose to inconsistancy more often than other decks.  Its a real gamble deck, but the idea is that you have good odds of winning 2 of 3. 

Given the concept of single elim, I would probably go with something like vintage mono-red goblins, or counter goblins. Then pray you don't face too much high-power combo.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2007, 01:53:02 pm »

Couldn't Oath be a good choice here?

It has good MD hate, no terrible matchups (I've heard dragon is tough, but that's not on your list), and enough design space to make room for metagame choices.  I would think a version with strips for the mirror.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2007, 04:46:12 pm »

I would think that Grim Long would be a very solid deck for this style of event.  In all honestly, I would anticipate a large showing of Manaless Ichorid, and fast combo is the worst match up for that kind of deck.  Not to mention that if the metagame has a large part Manaless Ichorid, playing Ichorid v Ichorid over and over throws your odds of winning into a crapshoot.

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2007, 05:01:13 pm »

If you expect tons of Manaless Ichorid then just drop Unmask and run a full set of Leylines and Wastelands.  That should help the mirror.
Also, have plenty of Leyline removal post board.

Myr Servitor is huge in the mirror since he is easily hardcastable.  Also Sundering Titan can be hardcast if you are running 9 or so lands and Serum Powders.  It takes most of the game to find enough mana but he beats for the win in only a few turns.
You could also consider maindecking Leyline removal.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2007, 11:00:01 am »

I think too many people will play Manaless Ichorid with Leylines.

I'd run a hate deck like TMWA, Fish, or SS.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2007, 12:19:11 am »

Meandeck Tendrils with Tormod's Crypt main. I know that sounds stupid, but people are obviously going to try and get away with Ichorid, and other decks vulnerable to the sideboard. Tormod's Crypt helps to build storm, and restart the opposing clock if necessary (versus Ich) so I actually think it may be a worthy selection.

I understand that you don't want to play combo because you aren't "talented' but winning with Meandeck Tendrils really isn't that difficult. You will of course need to test it to understand how the deck operates, but it sure is hell is easier to play than most other Combo.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2007, 09:35:40 am »

Tormod's Crypt is not so good in Meandeck Tendrils versus Ichorid.

First of all you can race Ichorid.  One of the beauties of Meandeck Tendrils is that it is not particularly vulnerable to graveyard hate.  This means Leyline is close to useless.

On the play you can almost goldfish.  On the draw your two main concerns are Unmask and Chalice of the Void.  If you lose to Ichorid it is likely going to be because they were on the play and dropped Chalice@0 on turn 1.  In this case your Tormod's Crypt does absolutely nothing.  The only case I could see it helping is if your opponent opens with Unmask and is forced to take Tormod's Crypt instead a bomb like Ancestral Recall.

Anyway, I would not maindeck Tormod's Crypt in Meandeck Tendrils.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2007, 12:09:25 pm »

I don't want to start a thread for a similar topic, but I'm curious to know what people would play in a tournament when you expect few drains?  My tourney this saturday, i'm expecting more bazaar's / shops / combo than drains (and fows for that matter).  The tourney includes sideboards (unlike the thread here) but it is also 15 proxy.  Thoughts?

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