Casual Doomsday

[Ephraim]

I dug out the remains of my old 5-proxy Doomsday deck the other day.  It got me thinking about how much I'd like to try my hand with that abomination again.  I do not, however, wish to make it a proxy deck this time, so I am looking for alternative Doomsday piles that do not require Black Lotus or Ancestral Recall.  One of the notions I am considering is that with Ancestral Vision and Lotus Bloom, I can set up at least one of them and then cast Doomsday the turn before the suspended spell is played.  Let's just assume that because of the slower nature of the deck, I'll have at least 4 mana available to me from lands or mana artifacts.  The 5-proxy version only required 2, so I don't think this is unreasonable.

If the suspended card is Ancestral Vision:
<TOP>
Show and Tell
Gilded Lotus
Dream's Grip
Mind's Desire
Beacon of Destruction
<BOTTOM>

Ancestral Vision resolves, drawing Show and Tell, Gilded Lotus, and Dream's Grip.  During Draw Step, I draw Mind's Desire.  Cast Show and Tell to put Gilded Lotus into play.  Tap Gilded Lotus for 3 blue mana, cast Dream's Grip to untap Gilded Lotus.  Tap the Gilded Lotus and the last remaining land for 4 more mana, cast Mind's Desire and use it to play Beacon of Destruction 4 times.

If the suspended card is Lotus Bloom:
<TOP>
Compulsive Research
Dark Ritual
Zoetic Cavern
Mind's Desire
Beacon of Destruction
<BOTTOM>

Lotus Bloom casts during my upkeep; during draw, I draw Compulsive Research.  3/4 lands cast Compulsive Research to draw Dark Ritual, Zoetic Cavern, and Mind's Desire; I discard Zoetic Cavern.  My last remaining land casts Dark Ritual and I sacrifice Lotus Bloom to cast Mind's Desire with a storm count of 3, to play Beacon of Destruction 4 times.

There remains a lot of work to be done, obviously, on the rest of the deck.  Do these look like workable Doomsday stacks?  Is it even worthwhile thinking about using the suspended power cards in place of the real thing?  I should probably have a contingency plan in case I only have 3 mana sources in play instead of 4.  Can anybody think of a stack that could win with just 3 additional mana?  (Of course, I can take some pleasure in the knowledge that I will occasionally get the nut hand that lets me suspend both Ancestral Vision and Lotus Bloom such that they will fire on the same turn.)

[EnialisLiadon]

You could also use the legacy-legal stack of...

TOP
Predict
Grapeshot
Lion's Eye Diamond
Conjurer's Bauble
Second Sunrise
BOTTOM

Play Predict, naming Grapeshot.  Grapeshot goes to the bin, and you draw and play Lion's Eye Diamond and Conjurer's Bauble.  Sack LED for WWW and pop the bauble (returning nothing) and drawing Second Sunrise.  Play Sunrise, getting the Bauble and LED back.  Sack LED for WWW and pop the bauble, returning and drawing the Sunrise and then playing it.  You can repeat those steps as many times as you'd like until you decide to pop LED for RRR, pop the bauble, returning and drawing Grapeshot and then playing it for massive damage.

There might also be a decent stack using the Helm of Awakening+Conjurer's Bauble+Disciple of the Vault combo, but that would probably take way too much mana.  The above stack only takes 2U post Doomsday.

[Ephraim]

I definitely prefer that stack to the horrible ones I posted above.  It would probably be good for me to look for at least one more alternate stack on my own.  It's not like I had anything to do with the Beacon of Destruction stack in the first place, so it would be good for my brain to try to come up with a way of my own to abuse Doomsday.

Seeing that 3-mana, legacy-legal kill highlights how ineffective my proposed stacks were.  Maybe I could be a real jerk and use Mise instead of Ancestral Recall.  It's a casual deck, so that's fair, right?

The other kill you mentioned would be <TOP> Mise, Conjurerer's Bauble, Conjurerer's Bauble, Helm of Awakening, Disciple of the Vault <BOTTOM>
Mise, naming Conjurerer's Bauble:  Draw Bauble, Bauble, and Helm of Awakening
Play Helm.  Play Baubles for free.  Sacrifice Bauble one, returning nothing; draw Disciple of the Vault.
Play Disciple.  Sacrifice Bauble two, returning Bauble one.  Play Bauble one.  Repeat until victorious.

The lynchpin being, of course, that nobody would forgive using an UN card to fuel a combo deck.  Never mind that this combo costs more (2UB) than the other combo that you mentioned. (2U)  Using Mise would make this stack impermissible.  Maybe I'll try it anyway.  After all, if I'm running what I'd consider to be a fairly tight combo in a casual setting, I'm already a jerk.  Why not be a huge jerk?  On the other hand, I could still use Lotus Blooms in the deck, which means that I could still possibly use Thirst for Knowledge instead of Mise, if I want to slow the deck down a bit to make it more fair.

[EnialisLiadon]

My favorite kill that I've come up with (strictly for casual, though) uses the ReapLace combo, since ReapLace is one of my most favorite old, crappy decks of all time.  Unfortunately, it requires 6 cards, so you need one of the combo pieces in hand.

The process goes like this:  Predict naming Grapeshot.  Touch of Darkness their creatures, and play Reap, cracking LED for GGG (discarding another Reap).  Go though the motions of Reaping for Reap and LED again and again until you torch everything with Grapeshot.

So you have to alter stacks depending on what combo piece you have in hand, but it's not terribly difficult.  I just love killing people with the ReapLace combo.

EDIT:  If they don't use creatures, then Forbidden Orchard solves that problem nicely.  Or dubs Funeral Pyre if you want to be really janky.