Ignorant Draftee

[jeek]

Ignorant Draftee

Creature - Soldier
Players can't search libraries.
2/2

Ignorant Draftee

Creature - Soldier
Players can't search libraries.
2/2

[Anusien]

Isn't restricting searches a blue ability?

[andrewpate]

To my knowledge, only Shadow of Doubt has this effect.  What other precedent are you citing, Anusien?  Because that card is as much black as blue.

As this territory is fairly unexplored and white is good at restricting things in general, I would tend to approve of this card.  Compare to "can't be the target of spells or abilities," which is green or blue on a localized or temporary scale, but when it becomes a widespread prohibition, as on Ivory Mask or especially Privileged Position, white also has access to it.  Consider also how Gigadrowse is blue but Loxodon Gatekeeper is white.  I think the card is fine.  A good, generic 2/2 for WW with an occasionally relevant ability, which is something Wizards seems to enjoy printing.

[jro]

This is way too strong.  This is obviously a parallel to all the various fish-y type disruption creatures.  But it's scope is just so much broader than hosing a particular strategy (like Kataki or True Believer) or card (like Meddling Mage).  This instead hoses an entire game mechanic that a huge number of decks rely on, one that is in all 5 colors (and colorless!)  Just the fact that it totally shuts down fetchlands makes it ridiculous power-wise.

This may be a good thing to hose, but the effect should be smaller, like "If a player would search, that player may pay 1.  If they do, they may search."

And flavor wise, why would an ignorant soldier prevent your opponent from searching their library?

[Darkenslight]

Why not make it for a 5/5, but YOU can't search your library at all, and all other players must pay 2 in order to search?

[jeek]

This is way too strong.  This is obviously a parallel to all the various fish-y type disruption creatures.  But it's scope is just so much broader than hosing a particular strategy (like Kataki or True Believer) or card (like Meddling Mage).  This instead hoses an entire game mechanic that a huge number of decks rely on, one that is in all 5 colors (and colorless!)

True Believer hoses anything that targets your opponent, something all 5 colors do, to varying extents.

Samurai of the Pale Curtain hoses anything that depends on going to the graveyard.

The cost and p/t of this were influenced by the two above creatures. WotC seems to randomly print cards in this vein that force your opponent to play "fair", while also being a 2/2 body. People love to tutor, but you see the least amount of tutoring in aggressive decks like White Weenie. Yeah, this is phenomenal hate in Type 1, but I don't really have a problem with that.

[lordmayhem]

Why not make it for a 5/5, but YOU can't search your library at all, and all other players must pay 2 in order to search?

This is so much more stupid broken that its ridiculous. White Weenie gets a 5/5, which hoses the opponent as well? Even without the hosing, its still a 5/5 with a downside which can be worked around.

The original version is a bit powerful too, I'd say make it

Players can't search their libraries unless they pay 2.

[Anusien]

WW
Creature
Players can't search their libraries.
2: Target player can search their library until end of turn.
2/2

[zeus-online]

Hmm..try adding "Any player may play this ability"?

/Zeus

[parallax]

That wording won't work. Can't beats can.

If you want to word it like that:

: ~this~ loses "Players can't search libraries." until end of turn. Any player may play this ability.

Honestly, I don't like this ability on a card like this. It would have been fine if not for the fetch-lands. This card has the potential to be much more effective than Suppresion Field on a creature.

[jeek]

Being a creature, this guy is pretty easy to deal with. Every color can get a creature out of play in some way. WotC has shown that they are willing to hose deck searching at instant speed, this guy seems like a logical progression from that. I don't support giving a way for him to lose the ability, the only way that should be accomplished is by dealing with the creature.

[Mr. Nightmare]

Shadow of Doubt is a one-shot effect that basically says "Stifle target Search card."  This is a significant difference from that.  Any deck that will be significantly hosed by this card will have a difficult time finding an answer, since they obviously can't search or tutor for one.  It's a permanent effect, and one that is drastically unfun in Vintage, and to a large extent, Legacy and Extended, too.  This card is extremely overpowered and undercosted.

[jeek]

And flavor wise, why would an ignorant soldier prevent your opponent from searching their library?

Dumb people tend to bring you down to their level.

This card is extremely overpowered and undercosted.

I agree that it might be undercosted. I don't think it's overpowered. Yes, it can hose decks that depend on searching effects. I am a bit hesitant to have it nuke fetchlands.. maybe if it only applied to spells. Hrm.

[Norm4eva]

If he's a draftee, he should be a Human Citizen Soldier.
I feel like I have to agree with people who are saying this is overpowered, and that says a lot considering I wish for nothing more than White Weenie to dominate in all formats ever.  This card just hits too many things on a permanent basis.

No Rebels
No Harrow Effects
No FETCHLANDS
No Tutors
No Avarax?!?!
No Landcycling

The fetchland hit alone would change the way people build their manabases forever.
Oh yeah, and Ghost Quarter suddenly becomes Strip Mine.  Under certain circumstances, it already is, but this way it'd ALWAYS be Strip Mine.

[jeek]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=73228

Aven Mindcensor
2W
Creature - Bird Wizard
Flash
Flying
If an opponent would search a library, that player searches the top four cards of that library instead.
2/1

It looks as though I've been partially vindicated with what people are accepting as a reliable spoiler for Future Sight. Is making it symmetrical worth the extra power of my version?

[Titanium Dragon]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=73228

Aven Mindcensor
2W
Creature - Bird Wizard
Flash
Flying
If an opponent would search a library, that player searches the top four cards of that library instead.
2/1

It looks as though I've been partially vindicated with what people are accepting as a reliable spoiler for Future Sight. Is making it symmetrical worth the extra power of my version?

I think the problem with making it cost less is that at some point, it starts being a LD spell. At 3cc, this will usually hit on turn 3, and only rarely on turn two. That gives your opponent two turns to use fetches, generally, and occaisionally one. Your version gives your opponent one turn to use fetches, and occaisionally none. And while hosing the actual fetchlands is not a bad thing, hosing cards like Terramorphic Expanse that hard doesn't seem necessary.

Also worth noting, the WotC version does still let you search the top four cards, so it won't always shut them off - dragonstorm, for instance, can still try and go off with this in play, and a storm count of 4 or 5 will still probably find a dragon.