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« on: July 10, 2007, 05:35:09 pm » |
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4 Force of Will
3 Daze
3 Stifle
2 Misdirection
2 Echoing Truth
3 Null Rod
4 Nimble Mongoose
3 Werebear
3 Trygon Predator
4 Brainstorm
4 Gush
3 Merchant Scroll
1 Fastbond
1 Ancestral Recall
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
4 Tropical Island
2 Island
1 Forest
1 Strip mine
3 Wasteland
2 Moxen
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
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4 CoV
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Extract
3 Pithing Needle
1 Echoing Truth
1 Chain of Vapor
This is the deck I played in Toronto a few times with very solid results. The only major change is the addition of the gush/fastbond engine. I've highlighted changes made and changes you might want to make. The star of the deck was always Trygon Predator which effectively neutered a number of decks if I got it out early. Obtaining threshold is no problem and really your biggest concern is Extirpate so if you vary your spells enough you can still fight through them. Now the sideboard was designed for the meta at that time but I still think it quite useful against most decks although the meta is changing. The extracts were for Gifts but the deck might be played much less these days so some changes might be required.
Now I know that a lot of thresh decks add white. I never the lack of white a problem in Vintage. Truths replace StPs and Chalices and Rods are somewhat of a replacement for Mages ( which are not as good as they used to be ). Of course the deck was orginally designed to a budget deck but proxy tournaments have eliminated the need to drop your power.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 05:39:05 pm » |
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I've tested this deck a decent amount. My suggestion is to try Tarmogoyf instead of the Bear. Goyf is a huge monster, usually larger than the Bear. Moreover, he is not shut down by Tormod's Crypt. I've been very happy with Goyf.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 05:43:15 pm » |
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I've tested this deck a decent amount. My suggestion is to try Tarmogoyf instead of the Bear. Goyf is a huge monster, usually larger than the Bear. Moreover, he is not shut down by Tormod's Crypt. I've been very happy with Goyf.
Also, Trygon dude is a really awful maindeck slot. I'm under the impression that GAT is just unequivocally better than this deck right now, especially since mana denial isn't such a great strategy nowadays. |
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
- Theodore Roosevelt
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 06:45:50 pm » |
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My suggestion is to try Tarmogoyf instead of the Bear. Not that I didn't think of Tarmogoyf but he is not a mana source which has often been very useful with the bear. And a 4/4 is still good. Trygon dude is a really awful maindeck slot. I'm under the impression that GAT is just unequivocally better Yep, that was that I was told when I played him until he started munching on artifacts and enchantments. He definitely belongs. In fact I need him in a lot of matches and he can come out turn two. As to which deck is better - well I'm not knocking GaT but you can bounce my creatures all day and I don't really care. But yes, I can see why some would agree with your statement. I don't think you saw the deck play last time out. I left jst before the round of eight defaulting to Andew's KiTT tendrils deck but it took on Gifts, Ichorid and a Stax deck first. Don't underestimate it. My only change would be to perhaps add Mindcensors to the side instead of Extracts. I know the deck looks a pile but it plays very well and has answers to most threats. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 06:55:50 pm » |
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Trygon dude is a really awful maindeck slot. I'm under the impression that GAT is just unequivocally better Yep, that was that I was told when I played him until he started munching on artifacts and enchantments. He definitely belongs. In fact I need him in a lot of matches and he can come out turn two. ... what artifacts and enchantments? Unless you're playing against Stax, what are you destroying that you can't just stop with Null Rod? |
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2007, 09:02:31 pm » |
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Well, apart from being rods 4-6 there is my opponents fastbond, leylines, necropotence, crucibles, titans, threads of d., blood moons and more. Even Oath rears its ugly head on occasion. Plus of course it is a nice flying beat stick. I said it was janky but it is never useless and often needed. Also note the sideboard as crypts come in to replace Rods quite often. I like the Trygon.
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« Last Edit: July 10, 2007, 09:14:54 pm by bebe »
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2007, 09:45:50 pm » |
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Not to try to nitpick much, but the only way you will kill an Oath is if they either have two out or you cast timewalk first. No one is just gonna run Oath out there. Also, killing Necropotence means they already got as many cards as they want, so killing it is unlikely to do much.
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Team Meandeck Team Serious LordHomerCat is just mean, and isnt really justifying his statements very well, is he?
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2007, 09:57:46 pm » |
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They won't play oath with my Trygon out there is what you mean ... so in effect win anyway and, btw I've had multiples out of my own. The deck also packs a lot of counters of various types. I also think mana denial can still ber an effective stall tactic if you hit artifact mana and lands. By turn three or four I often have quite a few creatures on board to attack.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2007, 10:08:34 pm » |
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Well, apart from being rods 4-6 there is my opponents fastbond, leylines, necropotence, crucibles, titans, threads of d., blood moons and more. Even Oath rears its ugly head on occasion. Plus of course it is a nice flying beat stick. I said it was janky but it is never useless and often needed. Also note the sideboard as crypts come in to replace Rods quite often. I like the Trygon.
Of all those cards you mentioned, the only ones that predator is good for killing are Leylines, and I don't know any deck that runs those main, except for Ichorid, and you lose to that deck in G1 regardless. As for the rest of them, they either aren't relevant examples of cards that need to be addressed, or are cards that Predator is a very poor "solution" for. Yeah, you can use it to kill stuff against Stax, but since there are far better 3cc cards that hose Stax, it's not a good enough reason to run the guy. Yes, he hits for 2, but dealing damage has never been a problem with this deck. You said that Crypt comes in often to replace Rod. Against what? Ichorid? I know you like the Trygon. I like cards too, however running a card just because you like it is a nice way to get relegated to the 0-2 bracket. Seriously, he's much better suited to the sideboard, but do as you please. |
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2007, 07:48:32 pm » |
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Well you re right Richard - I replaced the Predators with w/ Goyfs and really they are better. I shoved the Goyfs into side for the extracts.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 09:04:22 pm » |
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Well you re right Richard - I replaced the Predators with w/ Goyfs and really they are better. I shoved the Goyfs into side for the extracts.
That sounds much more reasonable. Tarmogoyf is a serious enough clock against almost everything. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 09:27:18 pm » |
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This may sound ridiculous, but have you thought of using Temporal Spring. I know its somewhat slower than the usual canon of bounce spells, but putting stuff on top of your owners library is some good (except vs. Oath).
Just a thought,
-Matt
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007, 08:19:08 am » |
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The list looks cool, but it seems to be 61 cards unless I miscounted it... and are you really not running Time Walk!?
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