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« on: January 13, 2008, 01:48:12 pm »

Though we lost some attendance due to a scheduling conflict with the Extended PTQ in Cleveland, we still had 18 dedicated Vintage players come out to the Hero Zone and get in it to win it.  Juan Rodriguez even managed to drop from the PTQ at 0-2 and haul ass to Sandusky and make T4.  Congratulations to all who placed and we hope to see you all (and more!) next time, February 9.

Thanks to everyone who came out, especially the now regulars from Michigan and Justin Morford, who came three hours from Pittsburgh.


Top 8
Anthony Michaels (5cStax) beat Nat Moes (1-Land Belcher)
Juan Rodriguez (Super Long) beat Paul Kim (Platinum Oath)
Justin Morford (MUD) beat Jerry Yang (Blue Workshop Aggro)
Geoff Moes (BG Manaful Ichorid) beat Rick Carson (Control Slaver)

Top 4 split $270 and took home $67.50 apiece.


Top 4

Anthony Michaels - TwaunStax 2k8 (5cStax)

4x Mishra's Workshop
4x City of Brass
3x Gemstone Mine
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
1x Barbarian Ring
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Sphere of Resistance
1x Trinisphere
1x Triskelion
1x Sundering Titan
4x Goblin Welder
1x Gorilla Shaman
4x Smokestack
3x Crucible of Worlds
3x Tanglewire
2x Powder Keg
5x Moxen
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Balance
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Imperial Seal
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Crop Rotation
1x Tinker
1x In the Eye of Chaos

Sideboard
1x Price of Glory
2x Rack and Ruin
3x Chalice of the Void
2x Duplicant
2x Tormod's Crypt
2x Choke
3x Duress

Geoffrey Moes - BG Manaful Ichorid

4x Bazzar of Baghdad
4x Bayou
1x Swamp
3x Bloodstained Mire
2x Polluted Delta
1x Dakmor Salvage
4x Ichorid
3x Ashen Ghoul
4x Nether Shadow
4x Putrid Imp
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Contagion
1x Demonic Tutor
4x Bridge from Below
1x Imperial Seal
1x Emerald Charm
1x Mox Jet
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Black Lotus
1x Lotus Petal
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Darkblast

Sideboard
2x Contagion
3x Emerald Charm
4x Root Maze
4x Ancient Grudge
2x Drop of Honey

Justin Morford - MUD

1x Tolarian Academy
2x Mishra's Factory
4x Mishra's Workshop
4x Ancient Tomb
3x City of Traitors
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Black Lotus
1x Strip Mine
5x Mox
3x Wasteland
3x Karn! Silver Golem
4x Metalworker
3x Arcbound Ravager
3x Triskelion
3x Sword of Fire and Ice
3x Thorn of Amethyst
4x Sphere of Resistance
4x Tanglewire
1x Trinisphere
3x Smokestack
3x Chalice of the Void

Sideboard
4x Eon Hub
1x Wasteland
2x Ghost Quarter
4x Duplicant
4x Goblin Welder

Juan Rodriguez - Super Long

4x Duress
4x Dark Ritual
4x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand
2x Thoughtseize
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Timetwister
1x Memory Jar
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Tinker
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Black Lotus
1x Merchant Scroll
3x Underground Sea
2x Cabal Ritual
1x Necropotence
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
2x Island
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Swamp
1x Tendrils of Agony
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
3x Ponder
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Imperial Seal
1x Time Walk
1x Yawgmoth's Bargain
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Misdirection

Sideboard
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Hurkyl's Recall
2x Smother
4x Dark Confidant
1x Platinum Angel
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Echoing Truth

Top 8

Rick Carson - Control Slaver

4x Mana Drain
4x Thirst for Knowledge
3x Goblin Welder
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Mana Vault
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Tormod's Crypt
5x Mox
1x Black Lotus
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Gorilla Shaman
1x Time Walk
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sundering Titan
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Echoing Truth
1x Mindslaver
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Platinum Angel
1x Sol Ring
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Tinker
1x Burning Wish
2x Underground Sea
3x Volcanic Island
2x Seat of the Synod
2x Island
1x Strip Mine
2x Flooded Strand
2x Polluted Delta
1x Tolarian Academy

Sideboard
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Rack and Ruin
1x Pyroblast
1x Red Elemental Blast
1x Pyroclasm
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Shattering Spree
1x Stifle
3x Duress
1x Triskelion
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Fire & Ice
1x Duplicant

Paul Kim - Platinum Oath

4x Oath of Druids
4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Accumulated Knowledge
2x Merchant Scroll
2x Intuition
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
2x Duress
2x Pact of Negation
2x Mana Drain
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Walk
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Life from the Loam
1x Strip Mine
2x Wasteland
1x Black Lotus
5x Moxen
1x Tinker
2x Island
2x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
3x Flooded Strand
2x Polluted Delta
2x Platinum Angel
1x Krosan Reclamation

Sideboard
1x Darksteel Colossus
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Darkblast
2x Tidespout Tyrant
1x Duress
4x Oxidize
2x Null Rod

Nat Moes - 1-Land Belcher

4x Goblin Charbelcher
4x Empty the Warrens
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Memory Jar
2x Living Wish
4x Land Grant
4x Tinder Wall
4x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Elvish Spirit Guide
4x Goblin Welder
4x Street Wraith
4x Rite of Flame
3x Red Elemental Blast
2x Pyroblast
1x Lotus Petal
5x Moxen
1x Black Lotus
1x Lion's Eye Diamond
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Crypt
1x Grim Monolith
1x Channel
1x Mana Vault
1x Chrome Mox
1x Taiga

Sideboard
4x Ingot Chewer
4x Tarmogoyf
1x Mishra's Workshop
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Taiga
1x Bazzar of Baghdad
1x Storm Entity
2x Ancient Grudge

Jerry Yang - Blue Workshop Aggro

5x Island
4x Mishra's Workshop
4x Wasteland
2x Mishra's Factory
1x Strip Mine
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
5x Moxen
1x Sol Ring
4x Juggernaut
4x Ponder
4x Solemn Simulacrum
4x Sphere of Resistance
4x Thorn of Amethyst
3x Metalworker
2x Sword of Fire and Ice
2x Triskelion
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Arcbound Ravager
1x Platinum Angel
1x Staff of Domination
1x Time Walk
1x Timetwister
1x Tinker

Sideboard
3x Chalice of the Void
3x Hurkyl's Recall
3x Mycosynth Lattice
3x Pithing Needle
3x Tormod's Crypt


Stephen Menendian holds court, explaining his choice of deck for the day (Tog 2k3) and what he would do differently in the future.


Mark Trogdon swings with Mons's Goblin Welder into Geoff Moes's Leyline of the Void.


Anthony Michaels totally spoils the candid nature of the photograph.  Also pictured are Mike, Josh, Randal, Josh, and a guy from Michigan whose name I didn't get (Adam Muns).  Thanks to all you Michiganders who come out; some day I'll know who all of you are!
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 07:25:38 pm »

the guy from michigan in the last picture is adam muns.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 07:20:15 pm »

Fixed!  Thanks.

Also, here's my tournament report.  I played Belcher into the top 8.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 12:39:58 am »

Cutting to top8 in an 18 person tournament is lame.  Also a top4 split out of 18 is lame.

By tog2k3, do you mean AKs and DAs?  Isn't that deck way too slow for the current environment?
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 05:19:23 am »

Cutting to top8 in an 18 person tournament is lame.  Also a top4 split out of 18 is lame.

By tog2k3, do you mean AKs and DAs?  Isn't that deck way too slow for the current environment?

What is up with the negativity? Everyone in the top 4 agreed to split so we could all go out to eat. The tourney was a blast and I believe that everyone had a good time. I'm pretty sure no one had a lame time. Plus, over 50% of the people who attend these tourneys are all good friends and don't care if they get last place or first place( I think? ).

Steve's reasoning behind playing tog was that there would be a plethora of workshop aggro/9sphere.dec. His Tog deck was specifically metagamed for the environment. Hence; the inclusion of 5 basic lands and 4 Mana Drains.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 06:22:42 am »

Anyone know how the decklist looked?

And how did it do?

And more importantly (to steve) would you consider playing it again?

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 07:53:51 pm »

Steve was just barely out of the top eight after being defeated in the last round of the swiss by Nat Moes. Their match is chronicled in his Belcher tourney report that he linked above.

I was behind the BG Manaful Ichorid, and though I didn't take enough notes to write a full report, I'll post my highlights reel here.



I had a couple of really close matches and high points that I held onto in memory, but the rest is just a haze. Specifically I remember:

Realizing in game one against Platinum Oath that it really sucks to be a self-destructive deck, as even if I can nullify Platinum Angel's power with Contagion, without Ancient Grudge I really can't kill them unless they're foolish enough to attack into Stinkweed Imp. That game one ended up being the first game that I have ever scooped in my playing career. I tune my deck to avoid unwinnable situations, and up until that point it had worked.

Bonking in game two against Platinum Oath and almost throwing away the game because of it. It was late game, and we were out of time and in turns. I had a Bayou, a Bazaar, a Lotus Petal, a Black Lotus, a full graveyard, and a ton of zombies. He had Oath of Druids, two Platinum Angels, Tidesprout Tyrant, Krosan Reclamation in his yard, and 1 life. He played Engineered Explosives for zero and something else, using Tidesprout Tyrant to bounce my Black Lotus and Lotus Petal. On my turn, I could not swing my zombies in for lethal because of Engineered Explosives, and for some reason I could not get enough dudes to run by his dudes to both get him for lethal and also Ancient Grudge his two Angels to make him lose before he Krosan Reclamationed them and Oathed during his next upkeep. I stupidly played my Lotus Petal and Black Lotus during my main phase. If he had seen the bonk and detonated the Engineered Explosives at the end of my turn, he would have incinerated not only my attack force but also the mana I would need to play both the Grudges in my graveyard. Fortunately for me, he did not see the play, and at the end of his upkeep I broke the Lotus for Green and Grudged both his Platinums. He was forced to crack a fetchland in response in order to shuffle his deck from a previous Brainstorm, bringing him to zero life, and when he played his next Brainstorm to find a counter and failed, I won the game. Even if he had, though, I had a Lotus Petal to break for red in order to hardcast the Ancient Grudge I had been holding in my hand all game, and even a backup Bayou to flash it back if that was needed. All would have been lost, though, if he had seen the right time to detonate the Engineered Explosives to knock out my mana.
(Upon reflecting on this last match, it doesn't look quite right. The situation might have occurred a bit differently, but the bonk I made, playing my two artifact mana sources into EE, I definitely did, and it indeed should have cost me the match)

Throwing away game two of my match with Menendian by not seeing the Emerald Charm application. He had a Yixlid Jailer on the table, which I Darkblasted, but he FoWed that. Yixlid Jailer shut off the Dredge, so I hardcast the Stinkweed Imp I had in my hand to get something on the table and maybe get a defense against Psychatogs (which he ROCKS for, by the way). I got in some beats with Imp and Menendian got some beats in with Jailer. If I had used Emerald Charm to untap Stinkweed Imp when Steve attacked with Jailer, I could have killed the Jailer, unlocked my graveyard, and basically beaten Steve's otherwise slow development down into submission.

Winning turn zero against Dave Baum. In game one he was on the play and the only card I got to lay down was Leyline. He played Seat of the Synod, Black Lotus, and a mox, then broke the Lotus for blue and scooped. Game two was a walk for me as well, as I got an enormous Brains Brigade quite quickly and ran him over. Even if he had gotten to attack with his ace in the hole Cranial Plating'd Ornithopter, I had a Contagion ready to bring it down to the ground in flames.

Mulliganing only once through the entire swiss, including getting godhand after godhand against Mark Trogdon as we continued to play even after I 2-0'd him. My opening hands were almost all excellent until the top 4. There, I mulled to five in game one, six in game two, and kept my opening seven in game three. The first and last (the game two six card hand was pretty good) were probably the worst hands I had all day.

Most of all, I remember being up against the wall going into game two in the top 4 against Control Slaver, having lost game one to a slow opener which he used to his advantage to put me into a three turn Slaver lock (he ran out of artifacts), Tinker into Platinum Angel, and then Yawgmoth's Will to replay his Moxen and get all the Welder fuel he needed to Mindslaver me into a loss. Obviously, losing game one is a crushing defeat for Ichorid, and it's a situation that I do not like to be in. In game two, my six hand included Bazaar and Leyline, so it was looking alright until his first turn went Land, Mana Crypt, Tinkerlossus. Never before in my Ichorid career have I beaten Colossus, but this was a new kind of Ichorid, so, as I told Chappel, "... I have a chance to beat this. It's not impossible, just highly unlikely." I Contagioned The Big Man to bring him down to a 7/9, which is still a big beater, but much more manageable, and I went into full aggro overdrive. My deck performed spectacularly. I had a Bayou with which to bring back Ashen Ghouls, and Dakmor Salvage came in soon after to allow two per turn. My Ichorids gave me beats, and my Ashen Ghoul stayed back to cut some of the power off the Darksteel's trample, then giving me zombies from the two Bridges in my yard to give me even more blockers against him. I thought I was taking control of the match with about half my library in the graveyard when he threw down the Tormod's Crypt and took away all of it. I was soundly beaten, but it was not over. My life total was getting closer and closer to dreadfully unsafe levels, but I started dredging with even greater fervor. Fortunately, my deck has reserved all four Nether Shadows to be in the bottom half, along with the last two Bridges from Below. Though I had lost more than half my Ichorid and Ashen Ghouls, I had enough to stabilize the game with myself at three life and with only a scant few cards remaining in my library, I think six. When he swung with Colossus next turn, all the Shadows and the Ghoul jumped into the fray, giving me enough Zombies to both attack for lethal and also hold back to block in case of shenanigans.

I would count it among my greatest victories with this deck to beat that.


All in all, it was an exciting day, and the company at these tournaments cannot be beat. Good times were had by all (I hope), and I hope to make it out for the next one in February.

The only thing I regret is having to beat the tar out of my buddies Jerry Yang and Mark Trogdon because they play decks that have no game against me. Sorry guys.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 10:14:06 pm »

Cutting to top8 in an 18 person tournament is lame.  Also a top4 split out of 18 is lame.

By tog2k3, do you mean AKs and DAs?

No no no:

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/article/4610.html

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 01:40:45 am »

The DA's only came about in Hulk Smash after it became popular (which was after Gush was restricted) - so in the mirror you could intuition for the DA plan main but still have the AKs, whereas if you only had AK's you had to play the "should I AK for 3, will it resolve, and if it does resolve, how likely will my opponent be to AK for 4 and will I have the resources to stop that?" decision game.

Much easier to just intuition for DA's.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 06:42:29 am »

I'd be interested in seeing the exact list you used, any chance of you posting it or pm'ing it?

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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 06:53:13 pm »

Sorry, I threw the decklists away.  This is as close as I can get from the picture above, from memory, and from what makes sense.  Right now it's at 58 cards.  I know three Gush, one Misdirection, three Intuition, and two Cunning Wish is correct because they all came into question.  The sideboard is to the bottom left of the picture, so that's mostly correct.  I'm not sure about the exact land counts because they're to the bottom right, obstructed by Steve.

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Played Jan. 12, 2008 at The Hero Zone in Sandusky, OH


3x Gush
4x Psychatog
3x Intuition
4x Accumulated Knowledge
4x Mana Drain
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Misdirection
2x Cunning Wish
2x Duress
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Ancestral Recall
5x Moxen
1x Black Lotus
5x Fetchlands
1x Swamp
4x Island
3x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
1x Tropical Island
1x Library of Alexandria

Sideboard
1x Extirpate
1x Trickbind
1x Firestorm
1x Rack and Ruin
1x Echoing Truth
1x Artifact Mutation
1x Pithing Needle
1x Berserk (proxy)
1x REB
1x Pyroblast
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Proxy
2x Yixlid Jailer

PS:  Steve, you still have my Trickbind, Extirpate, and Berserk proxy.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 05:42:17 am »

zero duress
1x mana crypt
1x gorilla shaman
1x empty the warrens
6x fetchlands
zero Library of Alexandria
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 05:44:24 am »

Thanks for the list!

The last two cards are probably some of these:
1 Time walk?? Not on the list, so i'm assuming it's one of the missing cards.
1 Misdirection?
1 Duress?
1 Vampiric tutor?
1 Merchant scroll?
1 Fastbond? (Would fit with gush)

All in all, i think the missing cards are:
1 Time walk
1 Fastbond

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 10:18:55 am »

The Time Walk, yes, but I think Twaun (also a Tog pilot, though not at this tourney) got the rest.  I should have remembered the Gorilla Shaman because it kept me from winning a game.  Any idea what the last sideboard card is?  It's a proxy in the picture between Pithing Needle and a rather sharp looking Berserk featuring Kevin Youkilis.  This should be it, minus that proxy...

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3x Gush
1x Gorilla Shaman
4x Psychatog
3x Intuition
4x Accumulated Knowledge
4x Mana Drain
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Walk
2x Cunning Wish
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Misdirection
1x Empty the Warrens
5x Moxen
1x Mana Crypt
1x Black Lotus
6x Fetchlands
1x Swamp
4x Island
3x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
1x Tropical Island

Sideboard
1x Extirpate
1x Trickbind
1x Firestorm
1x Rack and Ruin
1x Echoing Truth
1x Artifact Mutation
1x Pithing Needle
1x Berserk (proxy)
1x REB
1x Pyroblast
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Proxy
2x Yixlid Jailer
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