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« on: September 02, 2008, 05:04:16 pm » |
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I was just wondering if Hellkite Overlord from the Dragons box set is legal in any formats. It doesn't say so on Gatherer.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 07:39:56 pm » |
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If it's a Shards of Alara card, it will be legal when Shards is legal.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 07:53:09 pm » |
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Not entirely accurate. As a special preview, Hellkite Overlord won’t be legal in Standard until the release of Shards of Alara on October 3, but in the meantime, as a printed Magic card, it will be legal in Legacy and Vintage starting on August 29, 2008. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/469bBasically, it's not legal in the sets that have rotations because the entirety of Shards hasn't rotated in yet. But since the formats we know and love don't rotate, and it's technically in print, it's good to go now. |
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 08:13:39 pm » |
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What the heck? That is incredibly strange and counter-intuitive.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 08:29:20 pm » |
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Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much unprecedented, but it makes sense if you really think about it. FtV: Dragons is basically being treated as it's own set, with it's own Expansion Symbol and Gatherer entries and everything. And while the set isn't legal in Extended, Standard, or Block (the cards that happen to already be legal in those format are, but not the "set" as a whole), it is in Legacy and Vintage. And since Hellkite Overlord is a card that's already in print, why wouldn't you be able to play with it now?
It's a completely new situation, and really weird overall. I could've seen them go either way on it, and actually I'm surprised that they even thought of asking themselves the question, "Should this be legal in Eternal before Shards comes out?" But once they asked, I feel like they made the right choice, not that it's terribly relevant though.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 10:54:18 pm » |
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127. Vintage Format Deck Construction: Vintage decks may consist of cards from all Magic card sets, any extension of the core set, and all promotional cards released by Wizards of the Coast...
Similar wording for Legacy construction rules Hellkite Overlord is a promotional card which has been released by Wizards of the Coast. As such, it is legal for vintage and legacy. Standard however consists of sets from Coldsnap to Eventide, and 10E. Hellkite Overlord does not appear in any of those sets, so isn't legal in that format. The same is true for a Extended and the block constructed formats. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 11:30:29 pm » |
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In other words, it's legal in much the same way that Mana Crypt and Sewers of Estark are legal despite not having been printed in an expansion set. Correct?
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 12:13:44 am » |
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In other words, it's legal in much the same way that Mana Crypt and Sewers of Estark are legal despite not having been printed in an expansion set. Correct?
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2008, 03:13:48 am » |
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127. Vintage Format Deck Construction: Vintage decks may consist of cards from all Magic card sets, any extension of the core set, and all promotional cards released by Wizards of the Coast...
Similar wording for Legacy construction rules Hellkite Overlord is a promotional card which has been released by Wizards of the Coast. As such, it is legal for vintage and legacy. Standard however consists of sets from Coldsnap to Eventide, and 10E. Hellkite Overlord does not appear in any of those sets, so isn't legal in that format. The same is true for a Extended and the block constructed formats. Just out of curiosity, are cards aquired by Prereleases legal for Vintage/Legacy as Vintage Players get their hands on them? Ie, if I go to a tournament tomorrow, could someone play with Tezzeret and all the awesome blue artifacts? |
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2008, 12:02:57 am » |
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Tezzeret is not legal in Vintage yet, since it has not been released yet. Much the same, people acquired hellkite overlords at GenCon, but the card wasn't actually legal until the FTV:Dragons box was officially released. In other words, "prerelease" does not equal release (it's before release, hence the "pre"). Just out of curiosity, are cards aquired by Prereleases legal for Vintage/Legacy as Vintage Players get their hands on them?
Ie, if I go to a tournament tomorrow, could someone play with Tezzeret and all the awesome blue artifacts?
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 02:51:28 am » |
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Thank you for Clarifaxiciation...
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