dredge mirror question.

[baz9980]

Game 2: do you mull to a leyline or do you continue to mull as normal?
b) what's the best way to go about the win if you do indeed chose to go the route of mulling into leyline? Do you continue drawing even after reaching seven+ cards in the hope of reaching a bazaar, or do you begin dredging as early as possible, without bazaars?

[hitman]

You don't mull to Leyline because they already sided in the answers for it.  You still mull to Bazaar because you can draw into the many removal spells you brought in or you can mull to get removal spell with discard effect because you can't get too greedy and expect to always have Bazaar and removal spell.  If all you do is mull to Leyline, your opponent will remove the Leyline and win quickly after.  You obviously leave Leylines in because if you have Bazaar and Leyline, your tempo is amazing and you'll probably win.  A whole turn behind means you lose in the Ichorid mirror.

[meadbert]

Do no mull to Leyline.  He who has Bazaar will remove Leyline quickly.  He without Bazaar loses!

[Harlequin]

Do no mull to Leyline.  He who has Bazaar will remove Leyline quickly.  He without Bazaar loses!

Agree.  However once I'm mulling to 4 or less I would problably keep either a Leyline or a Bazaar.  Outlook is grim for that game though.

[wiley]

Do no mull to Leyline.  He who has Bazaar will remove Leyline quickly.  He without Bazaar loses!

Agree.  However once I'm mulling to 4 or less I would problably keep either a Leyline or a Bazaar.  Outlook is grim for that game though.

This is still wrong most of the time.  You mull to bazaar, it is better to have a bazaar and no land facing down a leyline than to have a leyline, 1-3 cards and no bazaar.

[Harlequin]

While I agree Bazaar > No Bazaar at any level.... But, I think that you should cut your losses at 3, 2 and arguable 4 if you do find a leyline.  Going on the assumption that Leyline > niether. 

Suppose you are at 4 cards, and you have leyline + 3 random cards.   If you mull at this point, you essentailly have 6 more chances to get a bazaar, or you are up the creek.  You actually have worse odds because its really draw 3, then 2 with replacement, then 1 with replacement.  If you keep the 4 hand, and drop the leyline.  Your have slightly better odds that you will draw into a bazaar in the next 6 turns than you do going with the all in mull plan.

If you are at 3 cards, I don't think you have any arguement because now if you mull you only have 3 more chances to find bazaar.  If I had a hand of a leyline and 2 cards I would keep it knowing that I have the same chances of finding bazaar in my next 3 cards as if I mull to 1.

Like I said, you're walking on eggshells once you get down to 4 cards w/o bazaar.  But expected benefits of starting with leyline you've already drawn + chance each turn of drawing a bazaar off the top I think excededs the expected benefits of mulling.

[meadbert]

Basically Leyline buys you more time to find Bazaar.

Leyline probably buys you a turn or 2.  For this reason if you have a two card hand with Leyline you probably want to keep it since the Leyline buys you a turn or two to draw one or two more cards.  This beats mulliganing and drawing 1 more card.

At three I would probably mulligan against since you have more than 3 more chances to draw Bazaar if you count Powder Mulligans.  Those 3+ chances are more important than the 1-2 draws that your Leyline would buy you.