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Author Topic: building prison shop around a newly spoiled card: 4cc double howling mine  (Read 871 times)
geckoskin
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« on: January 24, 2009, 11:27:17 pm »

disclaimer, i dont play vintage, i just lurk these forums for fun.... so maybe this is a terrible idea, or maybe not. i'm just looking to start a discussion here.

i saw this shop deck using black vise and howling mine, liked the idea but thought walking archive and ebony owl netsuke were awful

i saw this deck abusing commandeer and loved it

so when i saw this card spoiled i figured maybe it's worth building a deck around. here are two possibilities off the top of my head.

method 1: blue cards and pitch counters
(yes, i know that arcane lab and spheres are kind of redundant.... they just give you different ways to accomplish the same thing, keeping cards in your opponent's hand. lab also feeds pitch counters.)

start the ball rolling
4 font of mythos (4 mana artifact, each player draws 2 during draw step)

then some mana:
4 mishras workshop
4 ancient tomb
1 strip mine
islands, moxes and stuff

now stop what your opponent is doing
4 force of will
2 commandeer
2 misdirection
2 remand (or maybe arcane denial or negate?)

some disruption
4 arcane lab
4 chalice of the void
4 sphere of resistance

good cards
1 ancestrall recall
1 brainstorm

kill you
4 black vise
1 tinker
1 DSC

after enough mana, that's 50something cards, with 17 blue spells.... what else might go in there, probably either card draw or another win condition? what shouldn't have made the cut?

method 2: rule of law, ethersworn canonist, and glowrider

maybe the deck can't support blue cards, maybe attacking for 2 is better

being able to cast spells is good
4 mishras workshop
4 ancient tomb
1 strip mine
plains, moxes and stuff

no spellcasting
4 rule of law
4 ethersworn canonist
4 glowrider
4 meddling mage (or aven mindcensor)
2 orims's chant (or abeyance, whatever floats your boat)
4 thorn of amethyst
4 chalice of the void
1 trinisphere

give you lots of cards, take lots of damage
4 font of mythos
4 black vise
2 howling mine

after filling out the mana, that's almost 60 cards.

so, can either of these be made into viable tier 2 decks? or is it a lost cause?


« Last Edit: January 25, 2009, 02:54:13 am by geckoskin » Logged

bah.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 11:18:42 am »

well i think giving cards to your opponent is never a good thing
inherently, card advantage wins games

first responce: you do tax your opponent with hand size damage but im thinking since the black vise is in there upkeep and all the drawing is done in the draw phase it would make sense to just spend the 4 mana on juggernauts 
second thoughts: i wont discount the deck due to its prison nature and i think the arcane lab and arcane denial is a good mix with this font of mythos/black vise kill strategy
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