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Redirus92
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« on: February 13, 2009, 05:53:48 pm »

Creatures;[/B]
1 [c]Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind[/c]
1 [c]Hellkite Overlord[/c]
1 [c]Tidespout Tyrant[/c]
4 [c]Clone[/c]
1 [c]Windbrisk Raptor[/c]
1 [c]Spirit of the hearth[/c]
1 [c]Empyrial Archangel[/c]
1 [c]Reya Dawnbringer[/c]
1 [c]Darksteel Colossus[/c]
1 [c]Platinum Angel[/c]

Enchantments;[/B]
2 [c]copy enchantment[/c]
2 [c]Animate dead[/c]
1 [c]Curiosity[/c]

Artifacts;[/B]
1 [c]Null Rod[/c]
1 [c]Quicksilver Amulet[/c]
1 [c]Tormod's Crypt[/c]

Spells;[/B]
1 [c]demonic tutor [/c]
1 [c]vampiric tutor [/c]
1 [c]entomb [/c]
2 [c]Buried alive [/c]
1 [c]merchant scroll [/c]
1 [c]personal tutor [/c]
1 [c]mystic tutor [/c]
2 [c]Intuition [/c]
2 [c]recall [/c]
3 [c]exhume[/c]
1 [c]tinker[/c]
2 [c]counterspell[/c]
1 [c]enlightened tutor[/c]

Mana;[/B]
4 [c]Crumbling Necropolis[/c]
4 [c]steam vents[/c]
4 [c]watery grave[/c]
4 [c]Arcane Sanctum[/c]
4 [c]underground river[/c]
1 [c]sol ring[/c]

right now I am trying to figure a better mana base without having to spend a fortune on original duel lands and moxes. Any suggestions?

Also what do you think about replacing Tormod's Crypt with [c]haunting echoes[/c]?

My hope is to protect myself from [c=thoughtseize]discard[/c], [c=extract]library picking[/c], and [c=magma spray]burn[/c] cards with spirit of the hearth. [c]Empyrial Archangel[/c] helps against direct damage as well, including my [c=underground river]poking[/c] lands. Cards that would otherwise [c=Collective Restraint]lock[/c] me up I can use [c]Tidespout Tyrant[/c]
otherwise I go straight for the Niv-curiousity combo, DSC with tinker or cloning the poo out of the hellkite.

I can imagine someone adding that I need moxes, B lotus, timewalks, A.Recall, force of will, etc......but I cant afford those cards.
I guess I am looking for someone to point out holes or weaknesses in the deck and suggest some cards that arent $40 per card. Or so...

Thanx!
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 06:28:26 pm »

You posted a similar decklist here: http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37109.0 and Harlequin gave quite a few helpful suggestions. Otherwise you could try playing Sneak Attack which, although not necessarily tier 1 material, would be fun to play and alot less complicated.
Here's a sneak attack decklist I made a while ago, I'll take out the more expensive cards and replace them with cheaper ones.
//Lands: 19
11 Mountain
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
//Creatures: 14
2 Sutured Ghoul
4 Kokusho, the Evening Star
4 Bogarden Hellkite
4 Nicol Bolas
//Other spells: 27
4 Chrome Mox
1 Lotus Petal
2 Mox Diamond
4 Sneak Attack
4 Rite of Flame
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Shallow Grave
4 REB
4 Skullclamp

Sideboard:
4 Pyroblast
2 Pandemonium (overkill)
1 Wheel of Fortune (when not playing against combo)
4 Duress
4 ?

You also might want to check out some old Angry Ghoul decklists too and update them for the current vintage meta: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=sideboard/pthou02/hermit
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 07:39:10 pm »

Yea I made some changes to the other deck.  I am having issues with creating a more efficient mana base without having to spend $20 per duel land and or land fetchers.
I am not high on copying others deck creations and I do enjoy throwing down big creatures early.
The main reason for sharing my deck is to see if there are cards out there that might do a fuction that a card in my deck does more efficiently.  An example is my current dilema, Tormod's cyrpt or haunting echoes.

thanx for the comment
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 08:47:24 pm »

You could also just run Living Death instead of copy enchantment and animate dead and 2x Anger and 4x Hermit Druid instead of Clone and Buried Alive to get a bunch of Hasty fatties out while wiping your opponent's board. Also you would only need to run a black, blue, green manabase. You could use the ravinca Dual Lands and chrome moxes or mox diamonds.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2009, 12:46:15 am »

The Copy Enchantments don't really make sense with so few Enchantments to copy. More Animate Deads would be much better.

Anger + Living Death is a non-bo, unless you intend to cast the Anger first.

You only have four artifacts to sacrifice to Tinker, looks a bit unreliable.

Body Double would probably be better than Clone, since you're going to be putting all your fatties in the graveyard first.

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2009, 07:17:48 pm »


Anger + Living Death is a non-bo, unless you intend to cast the Anger first.

Yeah, I didn't think that over, but if you play Anger first by Exhuming him or hardcasting him it would work.
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