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« on: June 01, 2009, 12:01:48 pm » |
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While the UGW or UBG variants are quite popular lately, I think UG Fish is worth to be explored. My version focuses more on the manadenial aspect. First, a decklist:
3x Tropical Island 3x Polluted Delta 3x Flooded Strand 1x Forest 2x Island 1x Cephalid Coliseum 1x Strip Mine 4x Wasteland
1x Black Lotus 1x Mox Sapphire 1x Mox Emerald
4x Noble Hierarch 4x Tarmogoyf 4x Cold Eyed Selkie
4x Force of Will 4x Daze 4x Stifle 4x Null Rod
1x Brainstorm 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Ancestral Recall 1x Echoing Truth 1x Hurkyl's Recall 1x Misdirection 1x Time Walk 1x Merchant Scroll 1x Life from the Loam 1x Regrowth 1x Intuition
The gameplan is to disrupt the opponent with the usual tools like Null Rod, Waste and Stifle, while having a Loam engine to keep the opponent from recovering in the later stages. Tarmogoyf is the main beater, while Hierarch speeds things up and Selkie ensures that you don't run out of gas (you can also use the Selkie draw to dredge Loam back).
A few explanations about the unusual choices in the maindeck:
1. Intuition This is mostly used to tutor for Loam and Strips, but can also be used to fetch out counters or beaters in a pinch.
2. Regrowth Very strong in this type of deck because you have so many good targets like Ancestral, Strip Mine, Time Walk. Also allows you to "tutor" for a specific card in combination with Intuition.
3. Cephalid Coliseum Allows Loam to function as a draw engine, which can be useful when you don't have Selkie going. Better than Bazaar in this deck because it produces mana and draws three instead of two cards and Threshold is easily achieved in the lategame.
The deck is still a rough draft, so any input would be appreciated!
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« Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 05:05:31 pm by Bongo »
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Roat17
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 11:01:48 pm » |
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Loam can be great with Tarmogoyf, in addition to some other cards (waste/Strip etc...). You have too much randomness in here. This is a fish deck. You can't do crazy things to win games since your win conditions are creatures.
Blue decks get away with random 1 ofs with a combo finish because they play a bunch of tutors that can tutor for both their win conditions and their answers and win right there or shortly after. I feel you should try and make your disruption more redundant. Get rid of the random tutors and either up the Loams and find some synergy/disruption to help fuel it or find another way to disrupt/kill because you are just too slow right now and you don't have nearly enough draw to keep up with Tez.
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the boogie man
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 06:50:25 am » |
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You seem light on threats. What about vedalken heretic? He might pick up the slack that not having black(confidant, duress) or white(canonist, teeg) with additional draw. It just seems that selkie may come down too late sometimes. I'd try -1 intuition (too random), -1 regrowth (like giving your opponent a time walk), -1 selkie (pretty mana intensive), and -1 misdierction.
Perhaps spell snare should also be looked at as a cheap answer to oath, vault, and many other problem cards. and with all the draw, you are like to still have other counters if need be.
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this may be the last time you hear the boogie song.
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Guli
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 07:04:10 am » |
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I find it curious why nobody came up with this before. What is white doing anyway? Canonist isn't used, meddling mage most likely isn't what it used to be. Why play white? Just to use the mana noble provides? I think it is good that only 2 colors are used. I go with GW and implement important creatures like Aven, qasali and teeg without messing around with blue. But I am sure UG can be viable as well. Actually blue seems more controlish with counters and effective bounce while GW seems more beatdown and straightforward threats.
I think this list would work fairly well. Most likely won't win a tournament unless a good portion of luck is present and the deck is in the hands of a skilled, experienced magic pilot.
Oath/Prog might be a match up you want to be prepared too.
Also dealing with heavy aggro can be problematic if you don't draw into your own 'Goyf. Still if you can play an effective tempo game with mana denial/counter/beatdown it can work very well. I would advice Trygon predator if you can fit it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 08:26:18 am » |
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Trygon in the side definately, but I think that spell snare would be the nuts in this deck. counters oath, goyf, confidant, chalice@1, scroll, demonic, vault, painter, and a host of other good spells. also will catch a stray balance that might devastate you. and if you run 3 selkie 4 heretic, you potentially have a ton of cards in hand.
If I was to play your list, These would be my changes:
-1 intuition -1 misdirection -1 selkie -1 regrowth -1 daze -1 stifle -1 scroll/mystical
+4 vedalken heretic +3 spell snare
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Unrestrict: Gush, Flash, Frantic search, fact or fiction (probably), and burning wish if it doesn't suck now.
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