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Here you have the info:
Date: 9/5/09 Attendance: 70 players, 7 rounds of swiis + top 8
1st - Rubén González - Drain Tendrils
Maindeck: 1 Flooded Strand 4 Island 1 Library of Alexandria 4 Polluted Delta 1 Swamp 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Underground Sea 4 Dark Confidant 1 Darksteel Colossus 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Black Lotus 1 Brainstorm 1 Demonic Tutor 4 Force of Will 1 Gifts Ungiven 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Mana Crypt 4 Mana Drain 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Misdirection 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Rebuild 4 Repeal 2 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 1 Tendrils of Agony 3 Thirst for Knowledge 1 Time Walk 1 Tinker 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard: 1 Razormane Masticore 2 Sower of Temptation 1 Yixlid Jailer 2 Duress 2 Extirpate 2 Hurkyl's Recall 2 Spell Snare 3 Tormod's Crypt
2nd - Joaquín Fernández - U/R Fish
Maindeck: 2 Bloodstained Mire 3 Flooded Strand 3 Island 2 Mishra's Factory 1 Mountain 1 Strip Mine 4 Volcanic Island 4 Wasteland 2 Cloud of Faeries 3 Gorilla Shaman 3 Grim Lavamancer 4 Ninja of the Deep Hours 3 Sage of Epityr 4 Spellstutter Sprite 1 Ancestral Recall 3 Daze 1 Echoing Truth 1 Fire // Ice 4 Force of Will 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 3 Null Rod 2 Spell Snare 3 Stifle 1 Time Walk
Sideboard: 2 Ingot Chewer 1 Hurkyl's Recall 2 Pyrostatic Pillar 2 Rack and Ruin 3 Red Elemental Blast 2 Relic of Progenitus 1 Shattering Spree 2 Tormod's Crypt
Top 4 - Adrià Galitó - Drain Tendrils
Maindeck: 3 Flooded Strand 4 Island 1 Library of Alexandria 2 Polluted Delta 1 Tolarian Academy 3 Underground Sea 2 Volcanic Island 1 Darksteel Colossus 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Black Lotus 1 Brainstorm 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Fact or Fiction 4 Force of Will 1 Gifts Ungiven 1 Mana Crypt 4 Mana Drain 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Pyroblast 1 Rebuild 1 Red Elemental Blast 4 Repeal 2 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 1 Tendrils of Agony 4 Thirst for Knowledge 1 Time Vault 1 Time Walk 1 Tinker 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Voltaic Key 1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard: 1 Inkwell Leviathan 2 Yixlid Jailer 2 Duress 2 Extirpate 1 Hurkyl's Recall 2 Pithing Needle 1 Pyroclasm 1 Rack and Ruin 1 Red Elemental Blast 2 Tormod's Crypt
Top 4 - Israel Muñoz - MUD Domination
Maindeck: 4 Ancient Tomb 4 Mishra's Factory 4 Mishra's Workshop 1 Strip Mine 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Wasteland 4 Metalworker 1 Black Lotus 3 Bottled Cloister 4 Chalice of the Void 3 Crucible of Worlds 3 Ensnaring Bridge 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 4 Smokestack 1 Sol Ring 4 Sphere of Resistance 2 Staff of Domination 4 Tangle Wire 2 Thorn of Amethyst 1 Trinisphere
Sideboard: 2 Duplicant 2 Razormane Masticore 3 Jester's Cap 3 Pithing Needle 3 Powder Keg 2 Relic of Progenitus
Top 8 - Filippo Lietti - Monoblack
Maindeck: 1 Strip Mine 12 Swamp 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 4 Wasteland 4 Dark Confidant 4 Hypnotic Specter 4 Phyrexian Negator 2 Withered Wretch 1 Black Lotus 2 Chains of Mephistopheles 4 Chalice of the Void 4 Dark Ritual 1 Demonic Tutor 2 Diabolic Edict 4 Duress 4 Hymn to Tourach 1 Mox Jet 2 Null Rod 2 Planar Void 1 Vampiric Tutor
Sideboard: 1 Cabal Therapy 2 Chains of Mephistopheles 1 Diabolic Edict 2 Null Rod 2 Powder Keg 4 Thorn of Amethyst 1 Thoughtseize 2 Tormod's Crypt
Top 8 - Carles Miñón - Tezzeret Slaver
Maindeck: 3 Flooded Strand 3 Island 1 Library of Alexandria 2 Polluted Delta 1 Tolarian Academy 2 Underground Sea 4 Volcanic Island 2 Goblin Welder 1 Gorilla Shaman 1 Sundering Titan 1 Triskelavus 1 Tezzeret the Seeker 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Black Lotus 1 Brainstorm 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Echoing Truth 1 Fact or Fiction 4 Force of Will 1 Gifts Ungiven 1 Mana Crypt 4 Mana Drain 1 Mana Vault 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Mindslaver 1 Misdirection 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mystical Tutor 2 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 4 Thirst for Knowledge 1 Time Vault 1 Time Walk 1 Tinker 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Voltaic Key 1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard: 1 Platinum Angel 3 Yixlid Jailer 2 Duress 2 Pithing Needle 1 Pyroblast 2 Rack and Ruin 1 Rebuild 2 Red Elemental Blast 1 Thoughtseize
Top 8 (1st unpowered) - Joan Castaño - Manaless Ichorid
Maindeck: 4 Bazaar of Baghdad 2 Cephalid Sage 2 Dryad Arbor 2 Flame-Kin Zealot 4 Golgari Grave-Troll 4 Golgari Thug 4 Ichorid 4 Narcomoeba 4 Stinkweed Imp 3 Street Wraith 4 Bridge from Below 4 Cabal Therapy 4 Chalice of the Void 3 Dread Return 4 Leyline of the Void 4 Serum Powder 4 Unmask
Sideboard: 3 Bayou 2 Ancient Grudge 1 Contagion 3 Emerald Charm 4 Oxidize 2 Sickening Shoal
Top 8 - Gerard Siles - Merfolks
Maindeck: 3 Flooded Strand 7 Island 3 Polluted Delta 1 Strip Mine 4 Wasteland 4 Cursecatcher 4 Lord of Atlantis 3 Riptide Pilferer 4 Silvergill Adept 1 Wake Thrasher 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Black Lotus 1 Brainstorm 4 Counterspell 3 Daze 1 Echoing Truth 4 Force of Will 2 Misdirection 1 Mox Sapphire 3 Null Rod 2 Standstill 2 Stifle 1 Time Walk
Sideboard: 2 Waterfront Bouncer 2 Extract 2 Hurkyl's Recall 3 Pithing Needle 1 Powder Keg 1 Threads of Disloyalty 4 Tormod's Crypt
Enjoy,
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 06:20:22 am » |
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I don't know if he posts here but @Israel Muñoz: Why Bottled Cloister over Grafted Skullcap, especially with Ensnaring Bridge? Grafted Skullcap  At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card. At the end of your turn, discard your hand. Am I missing something?
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 07:11:31 am » |
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Isn't Cloister strictly better? Both cards cause you to have 0 cards in hand on your opponents turn and both cards let you draw 2 a turn. Assuming you don't want to cast One With Nothing isn't it just better?
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 09:53:36 am » |
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Oops. You're right. I saw the deck name, but it didn't click that it was mono-brown. For some reason I thought he was running mono-red with Welders at first.
Bottled Cloister is also better with Razormane Masticore in the board.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 03:52:56 am » |
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Again Mr.Siles place top 8. This time with Counterspells. I don't know if he is on this forum but some question:
Why Counterspells? (I think both Mana Leak, I play mutavault, and Disrupt are better choices, have you tested them?)
Have you testet mutavault?
How happy are you with Riptide Pilfirer instead of Sygg, River Cutthroat (Merrow Reejerey)
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 05:06:18 am » |
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I'm affraid non of them post in this forum, anyway i'll try to ask them and let you know why they made this choices.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 01:42:45 pm » |
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This great information compilation is credited to Roger Riera, aka gRR!!. I hope this gives a better insight about our metagame, here in Barcelona area.
LCV5 – 5th tourney (Cabrera de Mar, 9/5/2009) - Deck breakdown[/u]
General data: Players: 70 people Average scoring: 10,6 points Unpowered players: 19 (27,1% del total) Average unpowered scoring: 7,7
* Cards that appear for the first time in a LCV Top 8: Chains of Mephistopheles Hypnotic Specter Riptide Pilferer Sickening Shoal Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
* Deck breakdown and average scoring by archtype:
29 Drain Decks (41,4% of the metagame, 3/8 of the Top 8) --- 8 Tezzeret Control: 11,4 --- 5 Meditate Remora: 8,6 --- 4 Drain Tendrils: 16 (Champion, T4) --- 2 Bomberman: 11,5 --- 1 Tezzeret Slaver: 20 (T8 ) --- 1 Remora Painters: 15 --- 1 U/B/R Painters: 13 --- 1 Tezzeret Slaverless: 10 --- 1 Control Confidant: 9 --- 1 Intuitive: 9 --- 1 U/R Painters : 9 --- 1 Landstill: 6 --- 1 Transmuter Remora: 6 --- 1 SuperGro: 0
14 Null Rod Decks (20,0% of the metagame, 3/8 of the Top 8) --- 5 U/W Fish: 9,4 --- 2 Monoblack: 15 (T8 ) --- 2 B/R Confidant: 12 --- 2 Merfolks: 11 (T8 ) --- 1 U/R Fish : 25 (F) --- 1 Rogues: 6 --- 1 Stasis: 9
7 Ichorid Decks (10,0% of the metagame, 1/8 of the Top 8) --- 7 Manaless Ichorid: 8,9 (T8 )
5 Workshop Decks (7,1% of the metagame, 1/8 of the Top 8) --- 2 Transmuter Slaver: 9,5 --- 1 MUD Domination: 22 (T4) --- 1 Transmuter Stacks: 10 --- 1 U/R Stacks: 9
5 Ritual Decks (7,1% of the metagame) --- 4 The Perfect Storm: 11,5 --- 1 ANT: 9
10 Other archtypes (14,3% of the metagame) --- 2 Goblins: 10,5 --- 2 U/R Painters: 9 --- 1 Angry Ghoul: 15 --- 1 U/R Fish: 12 --- 1 Monoblack: 6 --- 1 Food Chain Goblins: 6 --- 1 Oath: 6 --- 1 Zombies: 3
* Deck breakdown and average scoring by unpowered archtype: 7 Manaless Ichorid: 8,9 (T8 ) 2 B/R Confidant: 12 2 U/W Fish: 5 1 U/R Fish: 12 1 Stasis: 9 1 Food Chain Goblins: 6 1 Goblins: 6 1 Monoblack: 6 1 Rogues: 6 1 Merfolks: 3 1 Zombies: 3
* Most played cards:
Top 10 lands: 151 Island 121 Polluted Delta 107 Flooded Strand 91 Underground Sea 81 Swamp 78 Volcanic Island 76 Wasteland 39 Mountain 36 Tolarian Academy 28 Bloodstained Mire 28 Bazaar of Baghdad
Top 10 creatures: 32 Goblin Welder 32 Narcomoeba 29 Dark Confidant 28 Golgari Grave-Troll 28 Golgari Thug 28 Ichorid 28 Stinkweed Imp 26 Ninja of the Deep Hours 21 Street Wraith 20 Sage of Epityr 20 Meddling Mage 20 Painter's Servant
Top 10 non-creature spells: 196 Force of Will 110 Mana Drain 96 Thrist for Knowledge 59 Chalice of the Void 58 Duress 48 Null Rod 48 Black Lotus 48 Mox Sapphire 48 Sensei's Divining Top 47 Ancestral Recall
Top 10 sideboards: 91 Tormod's Crypt 77 Pithing Needle 44 Yixlid Jailer 42 Extirpate 34 Relic of Progenitus 33 Red Elemental Blast 31 Hurkyl's Recall 31 Ingot Chewer 30 Leyline of the Void 28 Duress
Top 10 lands used in more decks: Island in 48 Polluted Delta in 46 Flooded Strand in 44 Tolarian Academy in 36 Underground Sea in 33 Library of Alexandria in 27 Volcanic Island in 26 Wasteland in 20 Strip Mine in 20 Swamp in 19
Top 10 creatures used in more decks: Inkwell Leviathan in 27 Yixlid Jailer in 21 Darksteel Colossus in 15 Sundering Titan in 14 Ingot Chewer in 14 Goblin Welder in 12 Narcomoeba in 8 Dark Confidant in 8 Triskelion in 8 Golgari Grave-Troll in 7 Golgari Thug in 7 Ichorid in 7 Stinkweed Imp in 7 Ninja of the Deep Hours in 7 Sage of Epityr in 7 Flame-Kin Zealot in 7 Platinum Angel in 7 Razormane Masticore in 7 Top 10 non-creature spells used in more decks: Force of Will in 49 Black Lotus in 48 Mox Sapphire in 48 Ancestral Recall in 47 Mox Jet in 45 Time Walk in 45 Brainstorm in 43 Mox Ruby in 42 Mox Pearl in 41 Sol Ring in 41 Tormod's Crypt in 41
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 04:00:41 pm » |
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Some statistics to prove that i was right when i lately said that the metagame WAS shifting to "hate drains" decks just after smennen did his last statistic article. The article has been writen 1 month to early to conclude things about restricted list.
40% of the feild for 40% of the top 8 for drains, (penetration aroud 1:1) 20% of the feild for 40% of the top 8 for rod decks... (penetration aroud 2:1) And ichorid and MUD to round up the top8.... (penetration around 1:1 for ichorid (10% of the feild for 13% top8) and 2:1 for shop (7% of the feild for 13% of the top8))
Drain performed alot just because they are the most played archetypes. And i know that the best spanish players play drains.dec; so overall, i really think that the metagame is good right now, people just shouldplay something else than drain.decks.
That said : Congratz to all the top8ers
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 09:38:47 am » |
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Mana Drains: 41.4% of the field; 37.5% of top 8 Null Rod Decks: 20% of the field; 37.5% of top 8 Ichorid: 10% of the field; 12.5% of top 8 Workshops: 7.1% of the field; 12.5% of top 8 Dark Ritual decks: 7.1% of the field; 0% of top 8 Mana Drains underperformed by about 3%. BUT, if you look at the top 8, the Mana Drain decks were: 50% of the top 4 50% of the top 2 Tournament Winner So, if as you ascend the tournament, Mana Drains became a larger and larger proportion of the field. In fact, this field -- rather than suggest that the analysis I presented in the March/April metagame report was premature, helps prove it. Your metagame is essentially a Drain/Anti-Drain field, and the Drains *still* win. How can you honestly say that Drain decks "are being answered" when the answers lose when it comes to a head to head matchup against Drains? As I wrote in my article three weeks ago: A common objection is that Mana Drain decks don’t need to be answered because they are very beatable. People point to decks that they have designed, or which, in theory should beat Drain decks. This claim has a very simple answer. Every Deck/Engine in Magic is Beatable, that Doesn’t Mean it isn’t a Problem. Dominant decks/engines are always beatable. In fact, I’m not sure it is possible in Magic to create a deck that can’t be beat. In my experiment with unrestricted Vintage ( http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/16641_So_Many_Insane_Plays_Unrestricted_Vintage_A_Magical_Experiment.html), I discovered that even at that level of insanity you could design a deck to beat any other deck. Just because a deck/engine can be beaten doesn’t mean it isn’t too good from the perspective of the health of the format. Here is the most important point: Let's say you are a tournament player and you want to achieve these objective : Win the Tournament. Let's say you are completely rational, and you want to choose a deck that maximizes your chances for accomplishing that. Which deck do you play? Although Null Rod decks had the best chance of making top 8, if your goal is to win the tournament, the only logical choice is, frankly, a Mana Drain deck. You will trade off the slight percentage disadvantage that this tournament data reveals for playing a deck that is hands down favored to be the best archetype to make top 4 and eventually win.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2009, 10:35:09 am » |
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You'll allways make the numbers say what you want to prove... And show that you were right from the numbers. But seriously, making top8 of a 33+ players tournaments is where the cursor should be. Top8 = prizes. It's where you wanna be. Let's be honest : you didn't anticipate the rod rise in the metagame, and those numbers (and the results of Bazaar of Moxen III) prove we were right to point you that drain decks were not the decks with the most top8 penetration rate. And tha't's why i think your metagame breakdown articles are not realistic : they don't compare the feild rate and the top8 rate. And even the Top4 and top2 results show what i wanted to point you : the metagame was shifting and rod was able to bein the really top of a tournament. There is no problem for me that a deck with 40% top8 appearence are 50% in top 4 and 50% in top 2. Its really close of 1 for 1 penetration rate. And both drain tendrils players are spanish vintage finests, so it helps to beat the 1/4 ans 1/2 finals opponents. So, if as you ascend the tournament, Mana Drains became a larger and larger proportion of the field.
The numbers prove that is wrong.... 40% compared to 40%top8, 50% top 4 and 50% top 2 proves that it is wrong. The penetration rate of drain decks is perfectly fair for me. Which deck do you play? Although Null Rod decks had the best chance of making top 8, if your goal is to win the tournament, the only logical choice is, frankly, a Mana Drain deck. You will trade off the slight percentage disadvantage that this tournament data reveals for playing a deck that is hands down favored to be the best archetype to make top 4 and eventually win.
The data you use for your breackdown article is top8 data. So it's really bad forme to use top8 datas to prove that a deck has the best shot to win a tournament. If you use top8 datas, you should compare top8 appearance. And to be honest, regarding the data only, i would play a Rod deck to have the best shot to win a tournnament. SImply because to win a tournament, you first need to be top8. ANd another factor you perhaps ignore is that there are final splits. In this tournamenet, 1 rod deck out of 20 (5%) did top 2. Drain deck results is 2 out of 29 (6,8%) so if it's a little better for drain decks, it so close that i allways would have a best shot to make top 8 with my deck choice and having a bad top8 shot, than the opposite. Simply because you can also just top8and face your bad matchup in quarter final and loose.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 10:46:25 am » |
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It's just puzzling that you have a metagame that is Mana Drain / Anti-Mana Drain, where the anti-Mana Drain decks are incapable of winning the tournament, and you hold this up as a 'healthy/balanced' metagame.
It very clearly resembles a 'dominant deck' metagame, not a balanced, healthy one.
I would like nothing more for you to be right that the metagame can adjust, but the facts don't support it. Even if Mana Drain decks put up lower proportions of Top 8s relative to the field as compared to, say, Null decks, Mana Drain decks give you the absolute best chance of winning a tournament once you are in a top 8. Mana Drain decks, for example, were only 42.5% of Top 8s, but they were 66% of tournament wins in March and April.
This pattern holds here. They are about 40% of the top 8, but 50% of the top 4, 50% of the top 2, and 100% of the winner.
There is another point: we look at data over time for a reason. Top 8 data over time actually tells us everything. If a deck is underperforming the field relative to another deck, then it only takes 2 people to play the better performing deck and change the composition of a top 8 dramatically. This is because it only takes one person in a field of (of at least 33 players) to help a deck reach 12.5% of top 8s! That is, as little as 1% of the field has to change to make a 12.5% change in the percentage of Top 8s stat. And if 2 players make top 8 with the new archetype, you have huge changes in the overall top 8 pie.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2009, 10:51:21 am » |
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The data of Bazar of Moxen, where i think that drain decks were alot more than 40% of the feild, tend to prove the same results. But okay, i don't think that i need to argue anymore about that. what i wanted to point out is that we don't need unrestricts to beat drain decks. And tournament results prove that. Rod is the natural answer. The metagame is adjusting by himself. And unrestrict a card that totally wreck the decks that beat drains decks is just the worst answer you could give to a metagame you consider wrapped. Just because rod decks will die, when drain decks will just adapt to face an possible 4xBalance problematic matchup (Spellsnare for example).
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2009, 10:59:38 am » |
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The fact that Mana Drains are 40% of the field tells you something in and of itself. Alot of people, correctly, think that Mana Drains are the best deck. They may not have the highest top 8 penetration rate relative to the field, but they give you the best chance of winning the tournament.
This just proves how distorted the metagame is. Everyone is aiming at Drains, trying to beat them, and not even succeeding!
As I said, every deck can be beaten. That's not the issue. The issue is metagame diversity/health. Mana Drains might be beaten by some Fish decks, but if those Fish decks can't win tournaments because they lose to a large chunk of the rest of the field, hypothetically, then it cannot be said that a) THe Fish decks are the metagame answer OR b) that the metagame is balanced or healthy.
I ran the statistics at the March Waterbury, which you can read here, and the trend is not totally dissimilar from what you found. The proportion of Drains in the field was 37.5%, and the proportion of Drains in the top 16 was about 43%. You have a very unhealthy, imbalanced field. If Drains were underperformers relative to the field, then we would see it in the changing composition of top 8s as players in the field at large switch, one at a time, to the superior performers. It only takes 1 person to do that to make a difference.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2009, 12:31:31 pm » |
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As I've said for a while the problem is that the anti-key/vault (drain) decks aren't stable enough for laser vision these decks take. Hate decks just don't have enough deck slots to handle Ichorid+Tinker+Will(AKA engines)+Key/Vault+Tezz+Oath+Aggro+Shops. Does the fact that you can change your win condition matter? No, drain decks are still drain decks and they're still an obnoxiously high percentage of the metagame. Neonico your logic is horrible does that mean that if a deck is 100% of the metagame and takes 100% of T-8s it is a healthy metagame because it is only 1-1 penetration? What if it is 90% of the metagame and has 80% T-8s? Is that a healthy metagame? What if a deck is so obnoxiously difficult to pilot that only 1 person in all of Vintage has the balls to run it in a tournament and takes first place every single time? 1% of the metagame but 100% of T-8s by your logic that deck is a huge problem even if only 1 person plays it and it is ridiculously easy to hate out but nobody does just because it isn't played.
I agree that unrestricting Balance seems like a terrible idea. (Even though I understand that by killing Fish you strengthen Combo, which brings us back to the 3-4 pillars) However, the fact that you're opposing all unrestriction, even cards that naturally destroy Drains without becoming crazy percents of the metagame (AKA Gush), just shows that you are ignoring every piece of data collected in some sort of obnoxious prayer that Null Rods will solve all your problems. Just look at the SS Tezz deck posted in the discussion forum. That thing is massively scary for any hate deck player. I mean if combo can't hold that monster back and the DCI does nothing welcome to at least 60% Drains. 2-color mana base, 12 viable anti-Fish counters, no dead cards against you, and the best win conditions and draw engines in Vintage, gg? Smmenen's data and conclusions from that data are perfectly logical, yours just don't make sense. The tournament results don't prove your point they prove Smmenen's point, you're just drawing arbitrary conclusions from the data.
Archetype diversity is the key to a healthy metagame, not % penetration as you suggest. (and definitely not the fact that one Drain deck is 10 cards different from another Drain deck and so has a different name as some people seem to have suggested in other threads) The fact that over 80% of the metagame is either Drains or pure anti-drains is just stupidly unhealthy and uniform. I really don't see how you can say this is healthy without being sarcastic and I definitely don't see how you can still think that after a year Fish will pull a miracle out of its ass and tame drains.
PS: Thank you very much Roger for the fantastic breakdown of this tournament. It was very insightful and if every tournament result had that kind of breakdown cancer would be cured and there would be world peace. Not really, but I think it is safe to say that everyone who has read this report would like to extend their gratitude for the amazing effort you put into doing that. I feel like I just snuck in to some amazing premium section. <3
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