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Cavius The Great
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« on: June 19, 2009, 09:12:15 am »

I assume everyone is fully aware of Crop Rotation being unrestricted, that being said, does anyone agree that Tolarian Academy decks might see significantly more play due to the unrestriction of Crop Rotation? Neo Academy was a strong deck, but can it still compete in the current meta? Let me hear your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 02:50:14 pm »

I think it would need 3 more academys.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 02:59:28 pm »

No way, it revolved around a 7 card combo that is pretty easily disruptable. Plus TPS and ANT are just better decks. Storming out is alot more convieniant than assembling your 7 specific combo pieces and trying to stroke/geyser someone for 60 cards or whatever. What Crop Rotation will do is basically just be used to find strip mines or maybe Bazaars. Neo-Academy was a cool deck but it's dead and I doubt it's coming back.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 04:33:00 pm »

How is Neo Academy a 7 card combo? I see only Academy, Rotation, Candelabra, and a kill card as the main components. That's actually a 3 card combo when analyzed properly. I'd maybe run something like this.

4 Underground Sea
4 Tropical Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
1 Tolarian Academy
3 City of Brass
5 Moxen
1 Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
4 Mox Diamond
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4 Candelabra of Tawnos
4 Crop Rotation
4 Force of Will
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Timetwister
1-2 Tendrils of Agony
3-4 Chromatic Sphere
3 Intuiton
4 Accumulated Knowledge
1 Mind's Desire
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor

Sideboard:
4 Thoughtseize
4 Pithing Needle
(7 Meta Slots)

That's just a rough list of what I would probably run but I'd definitely would start testing a list like this, to start things off.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 04:44:58 pm »

Originally Neo-Academy also had to rely on Capsize and a couple other cards. I'm not going to look up the original lists but back in the day to get things going you needed about 7 cards. At any rate what makes you think this is better than a deck like TPS?
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 05:13:49 pm »

Originally Neo-Academy also had to rely on Capsize and a couple other cards. I'm not going to look up the original lists but back in the day to get things going you needed about 7 cards. At any rate what makes you think this is better than a deck like TPS?

I have no clue whether Neo Academy can be better or even as good as TPS, I haven't extensively tested either to come to a conclusion. Do you have any suggestions on how to make this deck better in certain areas where TPS is lacking?
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 07:05:21 pm »

Originally Neo-Academy also had to rely on Capsize and a couple other cards. I'm not going to look up the original lists but back in the day to get things going you needed about 7 cards. At any rate what makes you think this is better than a deck like TPS?

I have no clue whether Neo Academy can be better or even as good as TPS, I haven't extensively tested either to come to a conclusion. Do you have any suggestions on how to make this deck better in certain areas where TPS is lacking?
The deck is just to reliant on Tolarian Academy. What if it gets wasted/stripped (which is going to be even more likely than it was before because of the unrestriction Crop Rotation)? A neo-academy deck is a deck that is reliant upon having 1 restricted card out for the whole game. I just don't think basing an entire deck around 1 restricted mana excellerant viable anymore. You have no recursion to get it back outside of playing yawg will and even then you don't have enough additional mana excellerants to power out those mostly expensive spells you've got there like Tendrils or Mind's Desire. Also Candelabra is dated and without academy out there it's a dead card it was originally used to generate infinite mana from academy alongside cards like capsize and at least 7 other artifacts to create an infinite mana loop to power out something like stroke of genius or braingeyser and even then it wasn't played as a 4-of all the time . TPS and Long lists usually run academy too but it's not as central to the deck, it's just another mana excellerent, albeit a great one, out of many. Also your deck lacks the amount of disruption that TPS runs and lacks the consistency of both TPS and Long. I just don't see this as viable compared to TPS and Long and those decks aren't even doing that well right now in the Tezz meta (and even with the loss of TfK those decks still will probably remain on the top of the heap for awhile as they have plenty of other draw engines to maintain consistency and vault/key is just the best win condition out there).
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 09:19:28 pm »

The main thing I like about the deck is that it's very explosive. It's first turn kill ratio is very high and I think that might be it's biggest strength. I've played against Neo Academy Vintage decks when Tendrils was legal and it often goldfished on the first turn whenever I faced it. I'm not saying that makes it viable, I'm just pointing out one of it's major upsides.

On another note, Mind Over Matter might just be the card to push it over the edge, though, and can easily replace Candelabra of Tawnos. I think running MoM might be a positive thing since not only is it a reusable Candelabra but it's also pitchable to FoW.
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