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TheRogue
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« on: October 12, 2009, 02:59:25 pm »

i am curious how the card mindbreak trap works with spells that make copies and works on copies themselves.

Mindbreak trap

Card type: Instant

Casting cost: 2 {U} {U}

Card text: If an opponent cast three or more spells this turn, you may pay 0 rather than pay Mindbreak Trap's mana cost.
Exile any number of target spells.

what i want to know is can that alternative casting cost be triggered by copies made from either replicate or storm, or even i guess miari.  (ex. say they cast shatter storm replicating it 4 times.)

second do copies of spells count as "spells". other cards have a problems interacting with copies because in some instances copies don't count as "spells"

my current assumption is yes it can exile any spell copies as long as they are on the stack with this card and spell copies will trigger the alternate casting cost. but i just want to make certain.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 03:06:22 pm »

Copies of spells are spells, yes.  There are no instances where copies of spells do not count as spells (because they are spells, in every way).  What you're probably thinking of as not interacting is what will also apply to your specific question.  The copy of the spell may be a spell, sure, but that doesn't mean it was cast.  Mindbreak trap cares about number of spells an opponent cast this turn.  Replicate, Storm, and Mirari all copy spells and put those copies directly on the stack, the copy is never cast, so won't count as a spell cast for anything that looks at that (including Mindbreak Trap's alternate cost requirement)

Any time a spell is copied, the copy is put directly on the stack and not played.  When a copy is cast, the effect will tell you to copy the card then cast the copy.  Compare the wordings on Isochron Scepter and Mirari to see the difference.

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Isochron Scepter {2} |Artifact| Imprint -- When Isochron Scepter enters the battlefield, you may exile an instant card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your hand. / 2, T: You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
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Mirari {5} |Legendary Artifact| Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay 3. If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
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