Budget 15 Proxy Deck

[DaveKap]

Haven't picked up a card in years. There's a 15 proxy Vintage tournament coming up. I want to build a budget deck. The metagame is Oath, Trez and Dredge.

I have two decks in mind: Burn and Goblins.


BURN - $20

//Land
4 Great Furnace
11 Mountain
1 Strip Mine (P)
4 Wasteland (P)

//0 CC
1 Black Lotus (P)
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Ruby (P)

//1 CC
4 Black Vise
4 Chain Lightning (P)
4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Spark Elemental

//2 CC
4 Flame Rift
4 Price of Progress (P)
4 Shrapnel Blast
4 Smash to Smithereens

//6 CC
3 Fireblast

//SB
4 Shattering Spree
3 Pyroclasm
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Ravenous Trap


GOBLINS - $40

//Land
14 Mountain
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland (P)

//0 CC
1 Black Lotus (P)
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Ruby (P)

//1 CC
3 Goblin Grenade
4 Goblin Lackey (P)
3 Goblin Vandal
1 Mogg Fanatic

//2 CC
1 Goblin Tinkerer
4 Goblin Piledriver (P)
1 Stingscourger
4 Null Rod (P 1/4)

//3 CC
3 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Warchief

//4 CC
4 Goblin Ringleader

//5 CC
2 Siege-Gang Commander

//SB
4 Shattering Spree
1 Goblin Vandal
1 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin King
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Ravenous Trap


Please critique.

[LotusHead]

Well for the Burn deck, you can easily go -4 Black Vise, + 4 other.

Sure, you might win the die roll, and drop this turn 1 and get that 3 points of damage, but don't count on getting a 4th damage in. 

Ball Lightning and Mishra's Factory might do more for you.

[meadbert]

Black Vice can sort of work if you have cards like Pyrostatic Pillar, Ank of Mishra and Root Maze since they are stuck between a rock and hard place regarding cards in their hand, but AD correct when he says it will do very little on the draw in type 1.  Perhaps it would be good as a sideboard card to only use when on the play.

[Cyberpunker]

I don't really have any good advice to give on your goblin deck. But for your burn deck, test Magma Jet. The Scry 2 makes a difference in late game topdecking mode. You can put away 2 land that would have cost you the game for example.

[DaveKap]

I made these changes to Burn:

- 4 Black Vise
- 2 Spark Elemental

+ 3 Cursed Scroll
+ 3 Pyrostatic Pillar

//SB
+ 1 Pyroclasm
- 3 Pyrostatic Pillar
+ 2 Tormod's Crypt

[meadbert]

For the burn deck Ankh of Mishra will be really good.  It means that an opponent loses 5 life per fetch land which is very painful.

[Worldslayer]

Burn - REB/Pyroblast might help on the sideboard. Against 2/3 of those decks (or 1/3 I suppose, since Oath doesn't run it anymore) you run the risk of early Tinker -> Big Guy just being a much better burn spell than yours. It seems like Null Rod might be a better call than say, Cursed Scroll, just because it forces them to play fair for a time, or burn Force of Will and another blue card (which is typically better than a majority of your red ones). They're used to solving it by now, but it takes time, which is what you really want. Burn is in the bad state of having the flaws of tempo decks (i.e. casting fair spells to achieve victory) without any of the strengths (making them interact so their much better cards don't just goldfish you). I'd recommend against it.

Goblins, on the over hand, DOES put up results every once in awhile. I think. At the very least, it's better than burn. Most builds run black for Duress/Thoughtseize and Earwig Squad, which is probably one of the best goblins ever printed. Addiitionally, it means Leyline of the Void is hardcastable in case you don't open with it, and that is a much, much better option against Ichorid than Ravenous Trap. Also, black gives you Warren Weirding as a tutorable answer to Tinker -> Big Guy in case of Stingscourger Immunity.

[DaveKap]

I also like Belcher:


1 Taiga
5 Mox
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Channel
4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Street Wraith
4 Land Grant
4 Manamorphose
4 Seething Song
4 Rite of Flame

4 Empty the Warrens
4 Goblin Charbelcher
1 Pyroblast
1 Memory Jar
1 Wheel of Fortune

Adding a trop, tinker and timetwister seems nice, but it would push the budget from $30 to $70

Thoughts?

[Worldslayer]

Without knowing what you have / what you're proxying I can only speak in generalities, but I've always had more success with a Bayou/Tropical island build for the card selection cantrips, ancestral, twister, tinker, and Mind's Desire went in and out of testing. Black-based rituals (i.e. Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual) typically are superior to their red counterparts (Dark Ritual nets 2 mana, which is only matched by Seething song. While Cabal Ritual initially provides the +1 of the red rituals, the burst of +3 makes it relatively worth it given the ease of achieving threshold). Running black rituals also opens you up to Deathwish, which I always liked in testing for it's ability to fetch Land, Welder, Tendrils/Empty, Goblin Charbelcher, even Duress. It also opens you up to Necropotence and Yawgmoth's Will / Bargain, which are all amazing cards for Vintage belcher.

In short, though Taiga seems to always be the first choice for Belcher lists, I always liked Blue's manipulation better than Red's lack thereof, and Black's acceleration over Red's. At the very least, if you're running red-based, run Goblin Welder as an answer to the counters you're going to be up against all day thanks to Oath and Tezz.

Four chrome mox is also usually not needed in a decklist with Power. Your hand really isn't large enough to support it usually, at least not without detriment to your ability to vomit everything onto the board early in a productive fashion.