12/1 Blue Bell, PA - NEV Series Qualifier

[Ummmyeh13]

New York?

New Jersey?

Alabama?

Who's looking to play some Vintage in The Real PA?

WEEEEEERRRRRRRREEEEEEEE BBBBBAAAAACCCKKKKKK

Alternate Universes is proud to announce our NEV Series Qualifier

Format: Vintage
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012
Time: 12:00 (Registration @ 11:00 AM)
Entry Fee: $25
Where:
Alternate Universes Blue Bell
1530 Dekalb Pike
Blue Bell, PA, 19422
610 277 7251
www.alternateu.com

10 proxies allowed for free. You can purchase up to five more proxies at $1 each.
Decklists will be required (and published).

Prizes

1st Place

1 Invite to end of the year NEV CHAMPIONSHIP (No NEV Points; sorry  )
$350 Store Credit

2nd Place

4 NEV Points
$150 Store Credit

3rd & 4th

2 NEV POINTS
$75 Store Credit

5th - 8th

1 NEV POINT
$50 Store Credit

I know there are quite a few of you looking for those last few points before the NEV Championship. Come and join us at AU for what will definitely be a clutch tournament for those in the hunt of an invitation.

[Cruel Ultimatum]

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=44687.0

Awk

[Samoht]

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=44687.0

Awk

Fully agree. Though I guess the NY events haven't been a big PA draw of late.

[mikekilljoy]

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=44687.0

Awk

Fully agree. Though I guess the NY events haven't been a big PA draw of late.

And my point is proven again, despite nobody believing it.

[desolutionist]

yay!! 10 minute drive

[Cody.TopDeckInsurrection]

I think ill show. Ill update later this week and see if our prodigy can come as well

[Grantselrich]

What's the point of having two tournaments on the same day? It's just going to hurt both of them.

[Ummmyeh13]

We're aware of the timing. Unfortunately, these are the only dates available. Sorry everyone.

[Prospero]

December 29th is still available, as it seems as though the NEV Invitational won't be run until the weekend of 1/5-1/6. 

[Prospero]

Also, for whatever it's worth, nobody from Northern Jersey, N.Y., or CT/NE will be making the trip, as far as I can imagine, when there's an NEV event that's significantly closer.  Keeping this date, for an event within the same series, splits attendance and ends up with both sides losing out.  It's your choice, but with my event (announced in October) on 12/1, Coss's on 12/8, you still have 12/15, 12/22 and 12/29 open.

You've announced this event eight days away from its running, competing against another NEV event, which also happens to be the last event that I'll be running.  You're free to do whatever you please, but AU had a full year to request a Qualifier and run it.  Am I to understand that the other 330+ days preceding this in which you were able to request this were too busy in order to place a call to Coss and I (who both run the NEV Series) and to schedule a tournament that didn't conflict with another NEV event?

[psyburat]

What I wouldn't give to have this on the 15th instead.  I'm loyal, though, and the final hurrah in NY outweighs the 15 minute drive to Blue Bell for me.

[Grantselrich]

We're aware of the timing. Unfortunately, these are the only dates available. Sorry everyone.

This still seems ridiculous, If December 29th is available, as Nick says, it should be moved.

[quicksilvervii]

What I wouldn't give to have this on the 15th instead.  I'm loyal, though, and the final hurrah in NY outweighs the 15 minute drive to Blue Bell for me.

I will also be in NY.

The politics of the above are leaving a bitter taste in my mouth. If the above dates are really free, this seems classless and disrespectful.

[Ummmyeh13]

Guys, Alternate Universes is a gaming store. Magic the gathering is not the only game we support. Solely to Magic itself, Vintage is a format that we have hosted in the past (be it with Mike Smith or Nick Coss) but it is not the only format that events need to be scheduled for. In December, AU as a store is booked for events outside of 12/1.

12/1 - Our store is empty.
12/8 - Our store is booked with a 20 man Warhammer 40K tournament.
12/15 - We're hosting our PLS Legacy Championship. (expecting 50-60 players)
12/22- We're hosting s Standard GPT (expecting 30-50 players)
12/29 We're hosting a Modern PTQ in Philadelphia (expecting 150-200 players so all of our MTG staff will be working)

Please consider just how difficult it actually is to schedule events in the NY, NJ, PA area before we start throwing words like "classless and disrespectful". This date AFAIK was originally slotted(4 months ago) for a YuGiOh pre-release that was pushed up a full month ahead of time. The date opened for us. We talked to Coss. He approved it.

Again, we're sorry for the conflict and the delay in announcing it, but this is the only day we have available.

--Chas

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

I may try to make this I am not sure yet. I want to go to TDG the following weekend also, then I am in the legacy champ event at AUBB the following weekend...3 events 3 weekends in a row? WOW am I dreaming?

[mikekilljoy]

Guys, Alternate Universes is a gaming store. Magic the gathering is not the only game we support. Solely to Magic itself, Vintage is a format that we have hosted in the past (be it with Mike Smith or Nick Coss) but it is not the only format that events need to be scheduled for. In December, AU as a store is booked for events outside of 12/1.

12/1 - Our store is empty.
12/8 - Our store is booked with a 20 man Warhammer 40K tournament.
12/15 - We're hosting our PLS Legacy Championship. (expecting 50-60 players)
12/22- We're hosting s Standard GPT (expecting 30-50 players)
12/29 We're hosting a Modern PTQ in Philadelphia (expecting 150-200 players so all of our MTG staff will be working)

Please consider just how difficult it actually is to schedule events in the NY, NJ, PA area before we start throwing words like "classless and disrespectful". This date AFAIK was originally slotted(4 months ago) for a YuGiOh pre-release that was pushed up a full month ahead of time. The date opened for us. We talked to Coss. He approved it.

Again, we're sorry for the conflict and the delay in announcing it, but this is the only day we have available.

--Chas

I'm sorry, but is Saturday the only day you can run an event? Is Sunday such a problem? And yes, it is classless and disrespectful and to book an event fully knowing that you will be taking away from another event that was announced well ahead of time. Granted, you went to Coss and got his approval, but in you had any respect for the series, you would have never asked the question in the first place.

[Ummmyeh13]

Yes Mike,

Sundays are a no-go for us. We have our weekly YuGiOh tournament which gets 30-60 players as well as our pokemon league which gets 10-20 weekly. It not only gets crowded, but also presents a situation a good portion of vintage players would not feel comfortable playing in.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

I mean realistically this event isn't pulling many people at all away from NY. The greater majority of vintage players in PA don't go all the way to NY to play. Sure there are a handfull that do go, but the majority do not. So really this event at Blue Bell thoretically is only hurting itself by not getting the draw from NY players which are more willing to come to PA due to the lack of events to choose from in the NY area...So that being said I think this date is fine. Sundays aren't the best either for the reasons described and also vintage is historically saturdays. Sundays for a lot of players are for family or work because like I said vintage is generally a saturday thing...

@UmmmmmYeah...you can't please everyone

[mikekilljoy]

I mean realistically this event isn't pulling many people at all away from NY. The greater majority of vintage players in PA don't go all the way to NY to play. Sure there are a handfull that do go, but the majority do not. So really this event at Blue Bell thoretically is only hurting itself by not getting the draw from NY players which are more willing to come to PA due to the lack of events to choose from in the NY area...

I would just like to point out that I have been saying this ALL YEAR, but now it takes something pretty crappy like this to happen before people realize it.

[oshkoshhaitsyosh]

Sorry Bauer I haven't been following your complaints all year :-/

[Prospero]

IronChef, Ummyeh and I have all worked this out, and there is no animus regarding the current state of things.

Everyone has said their piece, and now that we're done with that, a return to normalcy is expected.  It's time to drop the topic, and move on to appreciating that we've got a couple of great events coming up this weekend.

[cvarosky80]

You may want to drop the topic, as you have worked this out amongst yourselves, but this topic has created a ripple effect that certainly has affected me, so I want to have my say. You may feel free to warn or even ban me for wanting to say something, because if wanting to discuss something further in regards to a Vintage-related subject on a Vintage-related forum is grounds to be admonished, then I want nothing to do with that forum at all, and have nothing to fear.

Because of this disagreement, there are now those who do not want to go to this event because they simply do not want to look or feel to made to look bad for attending this over the New York event. People who weren't even attending the New York event are now unwilling to go to this event because of this. This personally affects me as I do not have a vehicle of my own to attend these events solo (If that were the case, you would easily have seen me play at way more events at ALL of your locations! Including Bloomsburg) and am thus dependent on others in my nearby area to be going to an event for me to participate. It's an unfortunate situation to be in, but one that I guess I have to live with for the time being, but anyways, moving on. Because of this situation, and the fact that the area I live in which most are unlikely to travel to the New York events for their own reasons, as well as the fact that during the summer and throughout most of the fall my health had deteriorated and was unable to attend most events that were even being held in locations that I am normally able to get to, like Westmont, I certainly did not qualify for the NEV Invitational, something that I certainly was aiming to do at the beginning of this year, which was unfortunate, but hey, life happens, and I can't be upset over things that I can't entirely control.

Now, here I am with a chance this coming weekend to get one more shot at realizing a goal, and I am now unable to do so, because of this argument. Because of this argument, resolved or not, I am going to spend this weekend home, with a bunch of cards that I invested time and money into acquiring, that are just going to sit there, again. And because of this, I won't get a chance to compete at ANY events, due to prior commitments by myself and others, until MAYBE January, and THAT'S only if Bloomsburg hosts an event that month as with the NEV Invitational, I'm pretty certain Coss will not be hosting a regular Vintage event that month. How do you think that makes me feel? While I am definitely not one of the better players, or even marginally respected players in this "community", I do enjoy just simply getting the chance to go to an event and having a chance to win Power, especially as I do not own any of my own. Events like these, even MORE importantly gave me that chance to , well hell, enjoy getting to play the format. Vintage has been my favorite format all the way back when it was Type I. But now, here I am facing down 2 months minimum of not being able to play in anything at all, because of this. Because there are those that actually would go out of their way to make those who would play in this event feel like assholes for doing so.

Well, I think that just sucks! And while I will not speak on ANYONE ELSE'S behalf, I'm pretty sure that there are plenty others who feel the same way, but don't want to say so out loud. I am just a regular card-slinger, not one of the big names around here, so I know that what I say here carries no weight whatsoever with any of you, but it takes a lot of just plain old regular card-slingers like me to make an event successful, not just the more well-known names showing up, and this format just lost one. I'd rather burn my cards one by one at this point than waste any more time on a community that does not realize that starting senseless arguments like the one that happened here can actually hurt those who just wanted to play the damn game somewhere and maybe actually win something big like a Black Lotus or an Ancestral Recall. You know? Like what these events were SUPPOSED to be about in the first place!

And let me make one thing perfectly crystal clear before I finish this rant: I do not have any desire to see Nick Detwiler's last event be a flop. I like and respect the hell out of him and for what he has done for this format. If it weren't for the situations outlined above, you'd better believe that I would have been there before ANYONE else, Saturday morning! I would have been to nearly EVERY single northeast coast event this year! But, I have to deal in reality as it is. And reality is that there was no way I was going to get to be a part of Nick's last dance, but then this event showed up, and it gave me something realistic to shoot for. Then this shit happened. Now I'm gonna be not playing anywhere at all this Saturday. Thanks for that.

Like I said; do what you will. Warn me, ban me, chastise me all you want for just expressing my own opinion on this. I will remain unmoved and unrepentant for saying what I just said, because a community that seeks to censure and degrade someone who has something they want to say, especially something that actually has some meaning for that individual, and is not just some profanity-linden, slur-using, online-flaming pile of senselessness,  is a community that I want nothing to do with.

[Thecheese]

Can't make it this weekend. Was assigned a high school semi final football game. Now I just need to find saddle brook high school.

[Prospero]

You may want to drop the topic, as you have worked this out amongst yourselves, but this topic has created a ripple effect that certainly has affected me, so I want to have my say. You may feel free to warn or even ban me for wanting to say something, because if wanting to discuss something further in regards to a Vintage-related subject on a Vintage-related forum is grounds to be admonished, then I want nothing to do with that forum at all, and have nothing to fear.

Because of this disagreement, there are now those who do not want to go to this event because they simply do not want to look or feel to made to look bad for attending this over the New York event. People who weren't even attending the New York event are now unwilling to go to this event because of this. This personally affects me as I do not have a vehicle of my own to attend these events solo (If that were the case, you would easily have seen me play at way more events at ALL of your locations! Including Bloomsburg) and am thus dependent on others in my nearby area to be going to an event for me to participate. It's an unfortunate situation to be in, but one that I guess I have to live with for the time being, but anyways, moving on. Because of this situation, and the fact that the area I live in which most are unlikely to travel to the New York events for their own reasons, as well as the fact that during the summer and throughout most of the fall my health had deteriorated and was unable to attend most events that were even being held in locations that I am normally able to get to, like Westmont, I certainly did not qualify for the NEV Invitational, something that I certainly was aiming to do at the beginning of this year, which was unfortunate, but hey, life happens, and I can't be upset over things that I can't entirely control.

Now, here I am with a chance this coming weekend to get one more shot at realizing a goal, and I am now unable to do so, because of this argument. Because of this argument, resolved or not, I am going to spend this weekend home, with a bunch of cards that I invested time and money into acquiring, that are just going to sit there, again. And because of this, I won't get a chance to compete at ANY events, due to prior commitments by myself and others, until MAYBE January, and THAT'S only if Bloomsburg hosts an event that month as with the NEV Invitational, I'm pretty certain Coss will not be hosting a regular Vintage event that month. How do you think that makes me feel? While I am definitely not one of the better players, or even marginally respected players in this "community", I do enjoy just simply getting the chance to go to an event and having a chance to win Power, especially as I do not own any of my own. Events like these, even MORE importantly gave me that chance to , well hell, enjoy getting to play the format. Vintage has been my favorite format all the way back when it was Type I. But now, here I am facing down 2 months minimum of not being able to play in anything at all, because of this. Because there are those that actually would go out of their way to make those who would play in this event feel like assholes for doing so.

Well, I think that just sucks! And while I will not speak on ANYONE ELSE'S behalf, I'm pretty sure that there are plenty others who feel the same way, but don't want to say so out loud. I am just a regular card-slinger, not one of the big names around here, so I know that what I say here carries no weight whatsoever with any of you, but it takes a lot of just plain old regular card-slingers like me to make an event successful, not just the more well-known names showing up, and this format just lost one. I'd rather burn my cards one by one at this point than waste any more time on a community that does not realize that starting senseless arguments like the one that happened here can actually hurt those who just wanted to play the damn game somewhere and maybe actually win something big like a Black Lotus or an Ancestral Recall. You know? Like what these events were SUPPOSED to be about in the first place!

And let me make one thing perfectly crystal clear before I finish this rant: I do not have any desire to see Nick Detwiler's last event be a flop. I like and respect the hell out of him and for what he has done for this format. If it weren't for the situations outlined above, you'd better believe that I would have been there before ANYONE else, Saturday morning! I would have been to nearly EVERY single northeast coast event this year! But, I have to deal in reality as it is. And reality is that there was no way I was going to get to be a part of Nick's last dance, but then this event showed up, and it gave me something realistic to shoot for. Then this shit happened. Now I'm gonna be not playing anywhere at all this Saturday. Thanks for that.

Like I said; do what you will. Warn me, ban me, chastise me all you want for just expressing my own opinion on this. I will remain unmoved and unrepentant for saying what I just said, because a community that seeks to censure and degrade someone who has something they want to say, especially something that actually has some meaning for that individual, and is not just some profanity-linden, slur-using, online-flaming pile of senselessness,  is a community that I want nothing to do with.

For starters, you're not going to be warned, banned, or otherwise chastised for your remarks, which were well meaning and heartfelt.

Second up; at no point should you, or anyone else, feel like they're being disloyal for attending another tournament.  We're on this forum because we enjoy playing Vintage, not because of any one personality, or because of loyalty to stores, tournaments, T/O's, etc.  We enjoy playing, and that's what matters.  Please, go to the tournament on Saturday at Blue Bell.  I wasn't happy that it was scheduled, and I'd still prefer that there was only one event this weekend, but it doesn't matter now.  I can't stop it, and it's going to happen regardless of what I want.  The issue here isn't between the T/O's and the players, but the T/O's and the T/O's. 

You're a good man, Chris, and I know it.  Going to a different tournament won't change that in my eyes.  Please, go, play, and have your friends go and play as well. 

[ramrodjon]

As a close friend to Chris, I knew he was quite bothered by the double-booking for 12/1 and the ensuing awkwardness that followed.  I had even cautioned him to let his emotions settle down a bit before posting anything, as is my conservative nature.  Vintage Magic has brought he and I together closer as friends, and the community has been welcoming to both of us, and for all of this I am thankful.  My swing shift, factory schedule prohibits my attendance at many of the events that happen, whether they be in NY/NJ/PA.  This also negatively impacts Chris, as he and I travel together and so we both go long spans of time without being able to attend, thus making it nearly impossible to qualify for the NEV Invitational.  I understand his frustration there, but everyone's locations and individual circumstances all affect availability.  I look forward to more dates that Team Ramrod may be able to attend, and appreciate everyone's contributions to this discussion, this format, and this community.  Thanks.

[Prospero]

As a close friend to Chris, I knew he was quite bothered by the double-booking for 12/1 and the ensuing awkwardness that followed.  I had even cautioned him to let his emotions settle down a bit before posting anything, as is my conservative nature.  Vintage Magic has brought he and I together closer as friends, and the community has been welcoming to both of us, and for all of this I am thankful.  My swing shift, factory schedule prohibits my attendance at many of the events that happen, whether they be in NY/NJ/PA.  This also negatively impacts Chris, as he and I travel together and so we both go long spans of time without being able to attend, thus making it nearly impossible to qualify for the NEV Invitational.  I understand his frustration there, but everyone's locations and individual circumstances all affect availability.  I look forward to more dates that Team Ramrod may be able to attend, and appreciate everyone's contributions to this discussion, this format, and this community.  Thanks.

It's things like this that are the backbone of this format.

I'm sorry to hear that you're not able to attend the events this weekend, but I hope that I get to see you again sometime soon.

If anyone out there is able to get Chris to Blue Bell, it would be appreciated.