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« on: November 05, 2015, 12:10:57 pm »



So... this is the closest we've had to a Cryptic Command upgrade in awhile.  Costs about the same, considering that it's 1 less colored mana and two more colorless, you get more effects, and in a pinch you can use this for 3 cards.  Kinda like a Fact or Fiction.  

Certainly this would be amazing in Modern, but that's off the table for now.  It probably doesn't fly in Legacy because it's too expensive for them there.  But, we get more mana faster.  Is this powerful enough to think about?  Or does Big Daddy Jace do everything this does and more for less?
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 12:25:10 pm »

I'm really happy about this card for my French EDH Narset, Enlightened Master deck.  It's a huge upgrade to Jace's Ingenuity. 

That being said, the modes are all really good, and you get three of them.  The only problem is the mana cost. 

It's more flexible than cryptic command, and almost never a bad card.  The question is, why is Cryptic Command not played in Vintage?  Is it because of the 3 blue in the casting cost, or is it because the modes are not good enough? 

I'm not ready to rule out this card, because it is a perfect card for a control deck.  But I'm also not willing to cross the line either and call it a vintage playable card. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 01:35:25 pm »

5 mana counters in Vintage is just terrible. Even UU counters seem kinda bad nowadays (oh the days of 4 Mana Drains...)

This is, really, a Duel Commander card only...
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 01:38:26 pm »

Too costly.

What it the best combination of modes on this card? One would assume its countering 1 spell, bouncing a creature, and drawing a card. So if you ever have to use the counter mode 2 times the card is already worse than like Dismiss. If this cost 4 mana, maybe it sees play as a 1 of because the draw becomes valuable, but Jace's Ingenuity sees no play and i cant see the extra versatility of this pushing it over the top.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 03:24:16 pm »

The best mode for this card is Counterspell and draw 2, which is so strong it's without precident.  
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 03:29:11 pm »

The best mode for this card is Counterspell and draw 2, which is so strong its without precident. 


The best mode for this card is "place in your binder".
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 06:06:55 pm »

The best mode for this card is Counterspell and draw 2, which is so strong it's without precident.  


I think it is with precident, in that most decks gladly emulate it for less mana across 2 cards. Standstill + A counter or A counter + Ancestral or whatever have you will often give you net-net the same number of cards along with a more reliable counter spell at less mana. I think i would much prefer a mana drain and an ancestral than this, and the card economy it provides does not seem worth the extra CMC. 2 cards have much more modality than 1 mind you because your opponent needs more than a single counter to stop it usually.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 07:47:20 pm »

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I think it is with precident, in that most decks gladly emulate it for less mana across 2 cards. Standstill + A counter or A counter + Ancestral or whatever have you will often give you net-net the same number of cards along with a more reliable counter spell at less mana. I think i would much prefer a mana drain and an ancestral than this, and the card economy it provides does not seem worth the extra CMC. 2 cards have much more modality than 1 mind you because your opponent needs more than a single counter to stop it usually.

That's not always the case.  Flusterstorm is always more effective vs. two cards than a single card.

To clarifty, I was refering to a single card doing so much.  Searching gatherer, there are cards that read counter, draw 2 or more.  So, there is a precident for this ability.  I stand corrected.  





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The best mode for this card is "place in your binder".

LOL.  You are probably right, White Dragon....probably....almost certainly....almost
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 08:40:31 am »

Q1:is Cryptic Command played in vintage?
Q2:is Mystic Confluence better than Cryptic Command?
Q3:would Mystic Confluence be played in vintage?
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 09:02:52 am »

Q1:is Cryptic Command played in vintage?
Q2:is Mystic Confluence better than Cryptic Command?
Q3:would Mystic Confluence be played in vintage?

No, Yes, No
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