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« on: February 10, 2004, 11:19:48 pm » |
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Okay, recently I have been messing around with some combo ideas, trying to look for something that can beat WGD. With the return of aggro, and if this really could replace WGD, I think creatureless decks would become less and less viable in T1. So, I started playing around with oath of druids, but came up with nothing competetive enough. Against creatureless decks, it COULD still win with a morphling, but that was highly unlikely. And the fact that I had to commit 8 cards to the combo that took 3-4 turns to win, it just wasn't good enough. But I kept thinking if more aggro decks were in a metagame, it could possibly be as good as dragon if it was faster. The biggest thing about combo is it can be great against Aggro, bad against counter and depending on the deck bad or good against combo. Anyways, to make a long story short, this deck works good only against creature decks. Although it does have a potential win (pandeburst) against non-creature decks, it's not likely.
Combo: 3 Oath of Druids 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Krosan Reclamation 1 Opt
This is how it works. Get Oath out and let it trigger. Let your library go down to 0 cards, your entire library in the graveyard (two judges told me this was legal). Then use Krosan's flashback ability to put Opt and Replenish in your deck. On your turn, if you draw will, play it, if you draw opt, use it to get will. Once you replenish, you can trigger
The Kill: 1 Replenish 1 Saproling Burst 1 Pandemonium
The Protection: 4 Force of Will 3 Mana Leak
Searching Cards: 4 Brainstorm 4 Intuition 3 Meditate 2 Impulse 1 Frantic Search 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Enlightened Tutor 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Cunning Wish
Utility: 1 Time Walk 1 Abeyance 1 Duress
Mana Sources: 4 Polluted Delta 4 Tundra 3 Underground Sea 3 Gemstone Mine 1 Tropical Island 1 Grim Monolith 1 Mana Vault 1 Sol Ring 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mox Pearl
Sideboard: 4 Headstone 2 Pyroblast 2 Hydroblast 2 Blue Elemental Blast 2 Red Elemental Blast 2 Stifle 1 Vampiric Tutor
The original build ran 0 yawgmoth's and krosan got Opt and Replenish, but I like will so I can: get any extra land if I didn't play one, get any mox or black lotus ect so mana shouldn't be a problem, duress, abeyance, or counter.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2004, 11:33:16 pm » |
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This is not something new. Rec/Oath was a transformational SB plan for Keeper a while back. This deck cannot replace Dragon (or any other deck for that matter) because firstly, creatureless decks DO exist. Secondly, if you can resolve an Oath trigger, you don't need to mess around with a clumsy Replenish kill. Just Reclamation Will, you don't have to choose two cards (Krosan Rec. says "up to two"). Or you Reclaim Will and Lotus, and go off with a smaller combo - Grim Monolith/Power Artifact being the favorite (use Wish to get Stroke to kill, is one less dead card in your deck).
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2004, 11:35:03 pm » |
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The deck was called "8 land combo" originally designed by solaran X, I believe...It lost ALOT with the restriction of LED, as with 4 LED, all you needed to do was resolve will, and the rest was histroy. I would definitely add 1 or 2 verdant touch, as if you face decks like keeper, you will rarely see a critter, until they're ready to kill you. Good luck with the deck.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2004, 11:42:47 pm » |
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There's a deck called "Yawgmoth's Oath" that does the same thing. You Oath the whole deck into the graveyard, flash back Reclamation, then play Yawgmoth's Will. Replay enough mana to go Grim Monolith, Power Artifact, Stroke for the kill.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2004, 12:22:42 am » |
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While this is quite clever, I don't think it will be as viable as it could be due to people having massive graveyard hate in the sideboard. Mud decks usually SB 3+ Tormod's Crypt, and even in game 1 decks like Hulk Smash can wish for Coffin Purge, and protect them. As long as Dragon is a popular deck in the meta, people are going to have graveyard hate.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2004, 01:18:53 am » |
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b_1e1_n,
You do this constantly.... Getting a full membership, hoping to get your name known, or just posting for the sake of posting is really irritating. You do it a lot. You start new threads constantly.
Your Casual forum thread was locked and start another one. You don't get enough replies to a thread so you start another one.
It's really annoying and proves to at least me that you aren't really about quality or thinking things through you just want to start a thread that people will post on. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but someone else should have before me. Start putting more quality into your posts and stop posting decklists without reasons, or old ideas when there's no reason to. I do think this belongs in the Newbie Forum. There's very little innovation here and very little new information. This is far from a new idea and without anything hugely interesting to look at it's just another thread i, and probably others will skip over from now on.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2004, 01:39:51 am » |
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All someone needs to do is counter the single reclamation flashback, and you lose the game via decking. And even then, oath is fairly simple to play around until a control opponent is ready to win the counter war for Krosan Rec. (which you wont be able to do on 7 counters and a single duress).
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2004, 07:25:44 am » |
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I didn't know this was only a deck. So excuse me for trying to think up new ideas.
"I didn't know this was only a deck. So excuse me for trying to think up new ideas while half of you guys lick Toad's genetilia and play netdecks all your lives. Go ahead and close this thread, I know it's coming." Why did you edit that? I had nothing against you, I was just doing my moderation job by closing bad threads or moving the average ones. Now this time It's personnal. -- Toad
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2004, 07:37:53 am » |
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If you have a problem with someone, don't post it in the damn public forum, contact an mod/admin. I'm not gonna really say anything about the deck because the points I was going to make have already been made.
@b_1: I read your last post BEFORE you removed some of it's contents like when you accuse us of being nothing more then netdeckers. However, most of the better players in this community don't netdeck, they come up with their own conculsions via playtesting.
EDIT: haha, Toad also read it before he edited it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2004, 08:15:31 am » |
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@b_1: Read the forum rules before posting decks. Post some useful discussion without resorting to flames. We are not all trying to have a go at you, simply providing an analysis of the deck, which is what you (presumably) posted the deck here for in the first place. And the personal comment about Toad is definitely uncalled for. Toad 4L 
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2004, 10:09:21 am » |
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Why wouldn't you just use Cunning Wish for Funeral Pyre and call it a day?
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2004, 10:47:13 am » |
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I banned him.
It's that fucking simple. He wants to fuck around and I don't have time for it.[/color]
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