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Author Topic: Ankh Sligh Discussion  (Read 26974 times)
Os-Vegeta
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« Reply #120 on: January 26, 2003, 08:47:20 pm »

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Quote The times that ball is sided in are against other aggro decks, and against combo decks where you need as quick a clock as possible. Most aggro and combo decks have such tight mana curves that they end the early turns of the game tapped out so one of ball lightnings main drawbacks, it's vulnerability to spot removal almost never comes up.
Also, you can often produce RRR if not by turn 3 then by turn 5 and the 6 points of damage can often act as a finisher or at least put them in burn range.

This view on Ball Lightning is flawed.  You're forgetting that Sligh isn't the only deck that runs burn spells - R/G Beats and Zoo run burn (and some Zoo builds run Swords to Plowshares as well).  On top of that, you have TnT and Suicide Black running Masticores.  Even the Fish archetypes have weapons to take out Ball Lightning - Fire/Ice, Razorfin Hunter, Sea Sprite, Psionic Blast.  As far as paying RRR, I'd rather spend it on 3 3-for-1 burn spells instead of a vulnerable one-time use that could easily be taken out.
Ball Lightning isn't good against combo because combo doesn't care how much damage is dealt to it as long as it can go off in enough time.  Therefore, spending RRR on 6 damage turn 3 is not good, and even by turn three it may be game over already.  Casting a Ball Lightning on turn 5 is not good either because by then you should have been combo'ed out or you should be able to win without the Ball Lightning.    

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Quote Browbeat puts your opponent in a quandry as either choice they make is very good for you. It's either a 3 mana lava axe or a 3 mana ancestral and usually the next 3 cards contain more than 5 damage (barring drawing multiple land). Against a deck that cannot mana drain it (keeper, Urphid, Mono blue) and cannot race it (academy, WGdragon, Mask) it's golden.

Here's the thing though - You're saying that Browbeat won't be good against quite a few combo and control decks, therefore making it useful against only the aggro decks.  Now, if you're the aggro player, you would most likely take the 5 instead of letting the Sligh player draw 3 cards which could potentially be more of a threat, correct?  Therefore, this is a 5-for-3 burn spell, which really isn't making the best use of 3 mana, is it?  It can't remove opposing creatures, and it most likely won't draw you those three cards that could make things worse for the opponent.  Wouldn't there be better choices to put in the sideboard then to deal with aggro decks, like Pyrokinesis?
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Nevyn
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« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2003, 03:39:12 pm »

On browbeat and ball lightning:

1) If they arent good enough for the maindeck of your version, they arent good enough for the side

2) Ball lightning is NOT awful, but it's not overly helpful in ankh sligh either. Ball lightning is all about flat out life pressure and winning fast, and it's partner in crime is fireblast. If you play both of these in an older school -20 red deck, they make sense and could perform perhaps better versus aggro than an ankh deck.  I would not, however, just throw it in without card symmetry. Whatever you may think on the ball lightning debate, it does not belong in legend's deck.
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David Hernandez
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« Reply #122 on: July 09, 2003, 09:27:20 pm »

I'm building LAS for my son to play, since i think it's the best unpowered deck available.  I'm running all of my power cards in my Stax deck, so i can't lend him my Ruby.

Lot's of people claim that they are running LAS, but then i compare their list to what is here in the forum, and it's plain that they are lying (or don't understand the deck at all).

My question here is, what does this deck look like now that Scourge is available?  What is the current decklist?

If an article or list has been posted elsewhere, i have not found it.  Please point it out and i will apologize in advance for wasting your time.

Thanks,
Dave
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Fever
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« Reply #123 on: July 09, 2003, 09:33:34 pm »

the very first list posted by Legend at the beginning of this thread is still the most optimal in my opinion.

Just one note David, if you wish to start a discussion on Ankh Sligh, you are better off starting a new thread than reviving a very old one.
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