I know that madness isn't dead. And I understan...

[MolotDET]

I know that madness isn't dead.  And I understand the concept but I was wondering mhy you would use Speculation over Intuition?

I would think that it would be better.

I know that Spec was used in type2 madness decks but Intuition seems like it might be better if not just as good.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Intuition also makes access to Wonder easier, which would give you at least two more slots. The only time four Wonder was sensical was in Block Constructed when the mirror was everything.

Yawgmoth's Will, while insane, is not appropriate for this deck to the best of my experience (in fact, I don't understand black in here at all). The cards in this deck have flashback anyway, or get better by being discarded, which Will prohibits.

Cunning Wish seems like a slow tool for such an aggressive deck. Rather than getting answers, you should be kicking ass.

[jeremyc_1999]

I actually didn't think of intuition.  I will try it and see.  I know that spec can be a turn earlier and you don't really want roar of the wurm or deep analysis in you hand.  Also, if I sideboard ray of revalation, I would want spec.  I will further test it though.

[Diaonic]

Quote Black: (2)
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoths Will

Black should not be in this deck. For the following reasons. Turn two you want to be casting threats while your oppents is digging for answers. Not tutoring and casting threats the following turn. So your making the deck slower then it should be.

Yawg Will is terrible in this deck. The mana base doesn't support you hardcasting any of your creatures in the grave. Most of your card draw already flashes back.( in most builds)

Quote 2 Quiet Speculation

Run Intuition its better for the extra 1 mana and at instant speed. I currently run an aggro version of madness which i can post if there is enough interest. So intuition or spec is not included in my build.

Quote 4 Wonder

This is overkill, its been debated to take these out of the deck entirely, I still run two in my build and will continue to run two. They just win games but four is to much.

Quote
1 Berserk
3 Cunning Wish

Why is Berserk not in the board if you are running wishes?

Anyway I have never been a big fan of the control madness builds but thats what I can offer you for suggestions.

-Corey

[jeremyc_1999]

Quote Yawgmoth's Will, while insane, is not appropriate for this deck to the best of my experience (in fact, I don't understand black in here at all). The cards in this deck have flashback anyway, or get better by being discarded, which Will prohibits.

I took black out.   I  am not sure that I like not having the smothers for removal.  I took them out for more counterspells.  I will continue testing.\n\n

[specialk]

with intuition in the deck and bazaar might I suggest 2-3 Squee if nothing else you can pump mongrel

[Matt The Great]

If you're running Intuitions you should definitely consider a Riftstone Portal. They suck in multiples, but when you can fetch it on demand it could be a potent card.

[Rico Suave]

You don't need Squee to make Bazaar or Intuition good.  You do need Bazaar to make Squee good though.  But Bazaar wins already.

Anyway, the biggest problem I see is that the first posted deck has serious mana problems.  Not only are you lacking sheer amount of mana, but you are also lacking acceleration.  There isn't much point to playing fatties unless they come out early.

[BreathWeapon]

Any Madness deck not running 4 Careful Study isn't worth looking at. I'd also up that Moxen count to the full 5 and even consider ESG in multiples.

I do agree that U/G Control Madness is the only form of Madness worth playaing in T1 now.

[jeremyc_1999]

Quote Any Madness deck not running 4 Careful Study isn't worth looking at.

I really don't think that careful studies are necessary if you are running 4 bazarr of bagdad.  THe esg's and/or the full moxen may help, but in my early testing, I find no problem dropping early fatties.  That is the benefit of madness, you can play fatties for cheaper.

[Sandster]

Quote (jeremyc_1999 @ Dec. 07 2003,15:18)

Quote Any Madness deck not running 4 Careful Study isn't worth looking at.

I really don't think that careful studies are necessary if you are running 4 bazarr of bagdad.  THe esg's and/or the full moxen may help, but in my early testing, I find no problem dropping early fatties.  That is the benefit of madness, you can play fatties for cheaper.

Careful Study not only makes the deck less reliant on Bazaar, but makes it easier to find Bazaar as well.  Also, with UG we get back to the old days of "Island, Careful Study, Rootwalla".

I think the Madness is good even with only one LED.  The deck is altered to work with a full set of moxen, making up for the loss of the versatile LED.

[iLL_Dawg]

@ BreathWeapon: I just won a power tournament with a madness build running 0 careful studies.  As far as I know, that's the best any madness deck has done recently.  This ups my count to 3.  All without the studies.  What makes a build worth looking at, in your opinion?

-=ADAM=-

[Jakedasnake]

ESG with a full set of Moxen definitely makes the deck faster, but the problem would be staying power. If ESG was run, a full set of Squees seem almost mandatory, just so the deck can have some late game.

What about Survival of the Fittest? You have a madness outlet for G that tutors up another creature. Given, there are only 8 madness creatures, but if Squee was used, couldn't this become an engine?

[Rico Suave]

Jadedasnake:

Survival adds G to every creatures madness cost.  That is not efficient.  It's like a one-sided Sphere of Resistance against yourself.  Hopefully I don't need to go into further detail why that is not all that great.  It's ok in TnT where you have Workshop to accelerate the creatures to fetch, but this deck has no Workshops nor Welders to Survival up.

Once again, Squee is a bad choice.  It's not good without Bazaar, and Bazaar wins already so there's no point in putting more emphasis on it.