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Fastbond
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« on: January 29, 2004, 04:09:26 pm »

Suggestions?

The Core
X1 Ancestral Recall
X1 Balance
X1 Yawgmoth's Will
X1 Mystical Tutor
X1 Vampiric Tutor
X1 Time Walk
X1 Demonic Tutor

Utility
X1 Sylvan Library
X1 Regrowth
X4 Reclaim
X1 Burning Wish
X4 Gorilla Shaman
X4 The Rack

Engine 1:
X4 Serum Powder

Engine 2:
X4 Brainstorm
X4 Land Grant

Mana:
X7 SoloMoxen
X1 Mana Crpyt
X1 Lotus Petal
X1 Mox Diamond
X1 Chrome Mox
X3 Bayou
X2 Savannah
X2 Taiga
X3 Tropical Island
X4 Undiscovered Paradise

Sideboard:
Anti-control:
X4 Defense Grid
Anti-Back to Basics:
X1 Carpet of Flowers
Anti-Blood Moon:
X2 Quicksilver Fountain
Anti-Recursion:
X2 Tormod's Crypt
Anti-Combo:
X4 Chalice of The Void
Anti-Dreadnaught and others:
X2 Swords to Plowshares

Use Serum Powder to get balance or a way to get it in the opening hand.  Of course there are other hands that you would keep as well.  Play the first  
balance to knock them down a little and then by the second balance you should have won the game.   Any suggestions for different card choices?  Better mana base selection?
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2004, 04:19:41 pm »

It is an interesting idea, but personally I just really dislike Serum powder if it's not in your opening hand.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2004, 04:52:03 pm »

Why Gorilla Shaman?
Is it very important to eat the moxen?

Have you tried cutting the Shamans and adding 4 Mishra´s Workshop?
Why not a Lion´s Eye Diamond?
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2004, 05:05:58 pm »

I don't think that Workshop would serve any purpose as the only 1+ cc artifacts he has are the serum powders which are not really playable cards by themselves.

If I read the deck correctly it basically tries to kill the opponents card advantage through recurring balances to keep them taking damage from the racks.

While this is an interesting idea i think that it might not be enough of a kill condition to do anything significant.  With only the racks and mox monkeys doing any sort of damage, yo aren't looking at a really threatening combo with the recurring balances.

If you wanted to focus more on the discard aspects of the deck to make the racks more attractive you might think about adding in black for duress, cabal therapy, hymn, mind twist and even pox as those are all solid discard mechanisms.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2004, 07:15:25 pm »

Maysonnet was running Bazaar of Bagdad and Library of Leng in his infamous Rack Balance deck. Bazaar has a great synergy with Balance and Library allows you to cycle really quickly through your deck. He was also running cheap burn (Lightning Bolt) because It's removal, quick damage, and fits rather well in the hand depletion theme. I'd run Impulse over Gorilla Shaman.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2004, 07:01:14 am »

SORRY... Rolling Eyes

I wanted to say Mishra´s Factory, not Mishra´s Workshop.....
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2004, 07:34:03 am »

I made a long time ago a casual Turbo-Balance deck, here are some card choices that i think have great synergy in the deck:

Gustha's Scepter: Allow you to hide cards, use Balance and recover them in the next turns.

Urza's Bauble: To reduce the card number of the deck, great after use Balance to recover your hand.

Lodestone Bauble: You can use it as 4 more Urza's Bauble.

Mind Bomb: Little damage to your opponent and a way to discard cards in order to play a devastating Balance.

Lim-Dul's Vault: An interesting tutor in this deck.

Hope it helps.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 08:49:24 am »

Random Brainstormed Considerations:

Zuran Orb is a possible 'Geddon by ZOrb'ing away all of your dirt then passing priority after Balance.

Orim's Chant is a possible means of resolving Balance which you'll especially want to do when ZOrbing your dirt.

@Toad: Is Maysonnet the fellow who popularized classic 4 Bazaar, 4 Balance tech circa 1994?

Bazaars are the way to go if you wanna help yourself and hinder your opponent with Balance.  I'm not sure that Racks are sufficient threats these days.

I also keep wondering if this deck might be able to make good use of: Peace of Mind, or Solitary Confinement.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 06:43:22 pm »

Zuran Orb- it's good with balance but it doesn't do anything on it's own.  And for aggro I'd rather have better answers.  You don't have to kill all their lands to shut them down.
Orim's Chant-maybe
Baazar of Baghdad-I think the engines in this deck are better for card advantage and finding balance
Mishra's Factory-great but where's the room?  It's very good against aggro and control.
Lightning bolt-only good agaist phid control and aggro
Impulse-I used this in earlier versions but I was hoping Serum Powder would deem this unneccesary

Do you think this deck will be strong enough with serum powder to get balance consistently enough in the early turns?  Now, there's room for gorilla shaman to deal with moxes.  Chalice of the Void was printed so it has a chance against combo.  Earlier versions were great against mono-u, urphid, aggro, and aggro contol.  Decks without the potential for great brokenness basically.  But the keeper and combo matchups were very difficult.  Do you think it now has the tools?
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