waylay tokens and stifle

[DEA]

Waylay
Color= White  Type= Instant  Cost= 2W US(U)  
Text (US+errata): Play ~this~ only during combat. ; Put three 2/2 white Knight creature tokens into play. Remove them from the game at end of turn. [Oracle 2000/10/24]

The three tokens do have summoning sickness. This means they cannot attack unless you have an effect that allows them to ignore summoning sickness. [D'Angelo 1998/11/20]
Before the errata, you could play this card during a player's End of Turn step and let the tokens live through the following turn. It can now only be played during combat. [D'Angelo 1999/07/29]

the last part of waylay's text says to remove the tokens at end of turn
strictly speaking, it's not formatted in a way that's intuitively counterable with stifle
would like to check if it indeed is a triggered effect and not some obscure game mechanic that removes the tokens

[Dr. Sylvan]

404.1. A triggered ability begins with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." The phrase containing one of these words is the trigger condition, which defines the trigger event.

"at end of turn" fits the description of the triggered ability, and therefore can be Stifled.

[Jebus]

To be more specific, Waylay sets up a Delayed Triggered ability that will make you sacrifice the tokens at end of turn.

This delayed trigger, like any other trigger, can be Stifled.

[DEA]

i ask because the phrase doesn't start with at
thanks for the clarification :lol:
white lightning lives!

[mouth]

Actually, I've noticed that on several other cards too. Is there a functional reason to word a sentence irregularly? Is it to avoid improper grammar, possible misinterpretations, or does it have a bearing on the rules?

Just as an example, Waylay's errata reads: "Remove them from the game at end of turn", but couldn't it just as easily read "At the end of any turn, remove them/the tokens from the game." Hmm, that does sound odd.

[Dr. Sylvan]

In this case it's so that they don't actually change the wording on the original card, they only add the stipulation "Play only during combat." to it.

[Jebus]

Actually, I've noticed that on several other cards too. Is there a functional reason to word a sentence irregularly? Is it to avoid improper grammar, possible misinterpretations, or does it have a bearing on the rules?

Just as an example, Waylay's errata reads: "Remove them from the game at end of turn", but couldn't it just as easily read "At the end of any turn, remove them/the tokens from the game." Hmm, that does sound odd.

It's a fairly standard template for delayed triggered abilities.  You'll see that many effects that set up a delayed triggers are worded this way, such as [card]Astral Slide[/card] or [card]Anurid Brushhopper[/card].  I suppose they do that because it reads better.  Once you know what to look for, it is fairly easy to pick out delayed triggers.

[Grand Inquisitor]

Since this is also a stifle question, I just added it here:

Can you stifle the fading counters on a tangle wire as it comes into play?  Also, can you stifle the removing of a fade counter after its in play?

For the record, I'm aware that you can stifle the tapping effect produced by the tangle wire during upkeep.

[Jacob Orlove]

You can stifle the removal of a counter, but not the counters themselves.

[DEA]

Can you stifle the fading counters on a tangle wire as it comes into play?.

notice the same wording is used on phyrexian dreadnought

[TimeBeing]

notice the same wording is used on phyrexian dreadnougt

I hope your not saying that you can stifle a Dreadnought? Which you can't.


Phyrexian Dreadnought
Text (MI+errata): 12/12, Trample. ; If ~this~ would come into play, sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead.  If you do, put ~this~ into play.  If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.  [Oracle 2000/02/01]

which is now a cost not a triggered effect.

[Matt]

It's not a cost, it's a replacement ability. If it were a cost it could be circumvented by Animate Dead or some such.

[DEA]

like matt sais, "as in comes into play" is a replacement ability, and cannot be stifled
same thing goes cards that say "this comes into play with x counters"
(not replacement abilities, i forget what they're called, but they can't be stifled)

[TimeBeing]

yeah its a replacement effect. I typed cost, not think. trying to just say it wasn't a triggered effect.