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« on: February 08, 2004, 12:39:11 pm »

Trinisphere will, in event neither Workshop nor Trinisphere is restricted, give the Workshop decks a potential tempo advantage. A new way to use this would be to build a Workshop deck  using Phyrexian Processor as kill card. Here are the components.

Disruption
Tangle Wire and Trinisphere perhaps does not combine perfectly but should together give the deck the time it needs to set up the kill.

Kill engine
Well, Welders cannot possibly be argued against, and if you are going to kill using Processors you need thoose too. You do want to find a processor really quick, but is 4 really necessary or is perhaps 3 enough? To make the kill faster, I suggest using Lightning Greaves which also has great synnergy with Metal Worker (see mana base).

Card Drawing
I am not sure draw 7 is the way to go, but indeed they have synnergy with metal worker. Problem is I cannot find room for any as it looks now. I rather use Thirst for Knowledge, but these could perhas be changed for draw sevens.

Mana base
Workshops for sure and Tolarian Academy. Metal Worker is what makes this deck so fast and is also necessary to find mana to activate the Processors. The question is whether this decks is interested in LD or not? I have put some in on mana spots that were "left over". In total, including Metal Workers and LD, the number of mana components should not be much more than 30.

Considering all of the things above and including the usual broken stuff, the deck list so far should then look something like:
4 Tangle Wire
4 Trinisphere
3 Phyrexian Processor
4 Lightning Greaves
4 Metal Worker
1 Memory Jar

4 Goblin Welder
1 Weel of Fortune

4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker

4 Mishras Workshop
1 Tolaria Academy
4 Volcanic Island
4 fetch lands
1 Island (this is to have a blue mana source under Blood Moon)
1 Strip Mine
2 Wasteland
7 SoLoMoxen
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolit

Counting this deck list you you’ll find that it only have 58 cards (30 mana sources). I have left two spots to deal with Null Rod which, as the deck looks now, kills the deck right of. Are there any two cards that could be included to deal efficiently with Null Rod? I have thought of two Smokestack, which have good synnergy with the deck thanks to all permanents produced from Phyrexian Processor, or is there anything better? Null Rod could be left to deal with side board cards, but as it is used very widely in todays metagame, I would rather not take that chance. I would alos like some comments on the mana base which I’m not really satisfied with.

The testing so far shows that the deck is capable of very fast kills, like turn 2 and 3, while the oponent does virtually nothing. It usually takes longer time but anyhow it often kills faster than Stax manage to lock it’s opponent. The testing so far has been very sparse and I would be very happy if someone else would like to test the deck and share there experience from that testing.

Please share your thoughts on this deck and thank you for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2004, 01:09:48 pm »

I havent done any testing so i cant really speak about how the deck runs but as for a way to deal with null rod possibly gorilla shaman? If you have 5 mana you can eat it and if you have a shaman and a welder out you can eat a mox and then weld the null rod out. That is the best I could come up with for a main deck solution. 2 or 3 shaman seems best, maybe 3 if you cut a lightning greaves. 4 seems like too many to me.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2004, 01:31:23 pm »

This is basicly a Workshop variant, with Processor insteal of like juggernaut, it looks like a Slaver variant and a wMUD variant mixed.
But I do agree processor is extremely strong.  If there is a way to maybe, run it as a faster aggro then stacker3, or even in stacker 3, that might be your best bet.  Maybe UR Stacker..
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2004, 04:40:57 am »

@Misemaster
Well, Gorilla Shaman is a solution, but he is a little and weak creature that does not really fit into the aggro concept. If the solution is a creature of the kind you suggest, I rather use Viashino Heretic which is in good agreement with Lightning Greaves, and he deals damage.

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You are right, it is inteded as a fast aggro deck, that's why I am reluctant to use draw sevens. For the moment I have included Wheel of Fortune, but I'm not sure I should keep it. What I don't like is that the deck rolls over and die to Null Rod. If just that point could be fixed, I think this deck is even better than Stacker 3.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2004, 11:24:51 pm »

Well it seems to me that you may be weak to somone playing either a Blood Moon, or a Damping Matrix, or a Chalice for 1 or 0. Nothing makes me happier than seeing a Mishra's Workshop turn into Mishra's Mountain but I also like a good Stax deck. You might want to think about how to get arround those, other than hope you go off fast.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2004, 02:06:55 pm »

@Repterrant
I cannot see why this deck would be more vulnerable to Blood Moon than for example Stax. Chalice for 1 takes 11 cards (including mana sources) which is more than in Stax and Mud but far less than most other decks. For 0 it only takes 6 cards.I have thought of removing one Ligning Greavs and adding the last Processor to find it fast. Null Rod and Damping Matrixes are large problems, but I hoped that 2 Smokestack should fix that. Havn't had time doing much testing yet.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2004, 02:25:25 pm »

I've been running a stacker deck for a while now. And recently I have taken to using 2 main deck Phyrexian Processors. They are usually very good in the deck, as fatties 9 and 10(Juggernaut and Su-Chi being 1-8). The activation cost can sometimes be annoying, but it is usually not a problem unless you go mox, workshop, proc 1st turn, but you just simply don't do that. Drop something else in that situation until you build up the mana to activate it. The ability to consistently turn out huge fatties turn after turn if it stays on the board against control and even aggro is amazing. Just gotta be careful with the life spent, against control, 7-10 is usually optimal, against aggro 3-5. It does have negative synergy with the Pyrostatic Pillars maindeck, but that is a minor point since you can usually just play around the pillars. And you don't even run pillars since this is more Stax than Stacker.

As for Null Rod, use the mox monkeys. They are just really good, able to eat rods, moxes and scepters. The greaves stop working under Null Rod so they don't exactly make the Heretic better in that situation. And no you don't really have a problem with Blood Moon, usually by the time that comes out, you have abused the workshop enough. And you have metal workers for even more boost. Heck, you could even run blood moon in the board if you wanted.

I'm just wondering, do the speed from processors really help a lot? I've seen the new Stax deck just take to running no kill cards in the deck anymore and win through Opponents concession with the lock in place or if it comes to it, Welder beat down. This deck looks confused almost, half Stacker, half Stax. Perhaps it works though, have you tested it out and tried comparing it to Stax? I think if you are trying to make the deck more beatdown oriented, then more draw-7s would be good. Refilling your hand is amazing. At the very list try to fit Memory Jar in, and perhaps Timetwister.
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